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In reply to the discussion: Can someone fill me in: is there anything new in this spying report we didn't know in 2006? [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)68. Wow, that was a stunningly pathetic attempt at a yawn.
By that logic, what was new about slavery during Lincoln's term? Why have a big hissy fit about it then?
I find these threads fascinating, because they expose the utter hypocrisy of the Third Way and the moral bankruptcy underlying its shifting positions on fundamental issues like Constitutional protections, depending on which party is in power.
I think we are witnessing something really important here. The escalating assaults on the fundamental rights of American citizens, and the increasingly absurd and vicious defense of them, are showing Americans at long last how truly ruthless and malignant the usurpers of our government, the Third Way and their corporate Republican counterparts, really are.
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Can someone fill me in: is there anything new in this spying report we didn't know in 2006? [View all]
Recursion
Jun 2013
OP
Yep, I expected this from a Republican, but I expected a Democrat to end the practice.
1-Old-Man
Jun 2013
#16
So why is it then that a majority (including Dems) in Congress voted for this thing
Sheepshank
Jun 2013
#22
in other words all those panties in a twist over a bunch if made up maybes. N/t
Sheepshank
Jun 2013
#25
With respect, I wish you wouldn't use terms like that to describe people who disagree with you.
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#38
nope. It's just the monthly renewal a of a warrant they've been responding to every month
librechik
Jun 2013
#4
by "he" I think you mean the Justice Department. And like I said, he voted for it
librechik
Jun 2013
#46
It certainly seems a lot of people, even in government, were unaware of it until now.
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#48
Nothing new. And, same old shit from the same old crowd that thinks a new POTUS=New Government.
NYC_SKP
Jun 2013
#10
That's what I'm saying. The president sits in a chair, a role, surrounded by thousands of programs,
NYC_SKP
Jun 2013
#47
OK, my jet-lag addled brain just grasped that there are two separate programs here
Recursion
Jun 2013
#15
Well, the NSA has always been off the grid and done things yer normal agencies can't do...
TreasonousBastard
Jun 2013
#23
Yes. "Driftnet" warrants aren't just for cities or areas, it's actually universal surveillance.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#31
How long has that been the case? That was my main worry about FISA initially (nt)
Recursion
Jun 2013
#43
Thin Thread went operational shortly after 9/11; warrantless data storage right after Bush came in.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#58
I hadn't heard of PRISM before. (NSA and FBI retrieving data from internet servers)
AndyA
Jun 2013
#55
PRISM operates off the surveillance backbone created by the 1995 CALEA Act that mandated the telcos
leveymg
Jun 2013
#59
No, the major carriers say they have nothing installed to provide this data to the government
AndyA
Jun 2013
#70
Every telco must have CALEA-compliant switching equipment by law. Just Google that.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#71
I wish you were right that this were just partisan politics rather than the reality hitting people
leveymg
Jun 2013
#60