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RobertEarl

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18. It could be that Manning is a super hero

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:57 AM

Jun 2013

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Could be that his actions were one reason Bush ( on edit: not possible, this is wrong, Bush was already gone) had to end the Iraqi war. Saving many soldiers.

The people who should be on trial are Bush and Cheney.

Good thread, redgreenandblue, bravo!

ETA: and thanks muriel for pointing out my error (below in next post). I have not been glued to this event like the HANG Bradley crowd. I am a Free Bradley casual onlooker who thinks what Bradley did save lives and that Bush et al are the real criminals.

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In essence, Bradley Manning is Stauffenberg. [View all] redgreenandblue Jun 2013 OP

Justice Robert L. Jackson, Chief U.S. Nuremberg Tribunal Prosecutor. G_j Jun 2013 #1

Thanks. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #2

Um, no. Manning is charged with aiding the enemy, Al Qaeda. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #3

His actions happened in the context of the Iraq war. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #4

Sure. I hope his lawyer tries to argue that. Helping Al Qaeda was inconsequential. msanthrope Jun 2013 #5

Manning will not receive a just trial. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #6

It's unfortunate for him that he chose to volunteer, then. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #30

Have you considered offering your services to the DOD? brooklynite Jun 2013 #76

The DOD should not be adjudicating this. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #92

Are you for real? AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #95

that's what the prosecution may be alleging, G_j Jun 2013 #8

Gates is talking about the DoD powerpoints, which is one of the 4 things he's charged with Recursion Jun 2013 #14

But if the entire Iraq War was illegal, and it may well have been and JDPriestly Jun 2013 #78

The Taliban thanked Wikileaks for the leads--- msanthrope Jun 2013 #32

As I've said before but haven't said lately.. Cha Jun 2013 #84

Did you think he'd immediately say "OMG page 42 has our whole plan!"?? DevonRex Jun 2013 #50

You're right, no one expects this to be a fair trial, it is merely for show, to scare anyone sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #79

Um, yes. But of course that would involve reading and understanding the premise under which we Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #35

Too bad Manning chose to volunteer for the 'bad guys' and go to war. He'll have to msanthrope Jun 2013 #36

So was the Iraq war justified or not? redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #93

Manning got classified info to Bin Laden, the terrorist. DevonRex Jun 2013 #7

He didn't give the information to Bin Laden G_j Jun 2013 #9

LOL! Spoken like someone who was never in military intelligence. DevonRex Jun 2013 #43

It is probably true that some of the information that was released JDPriestly Jun 2013 #80

Thank you Devon Rex AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #86

Artfully articulated. +1000! nt MADem Jun 2013 #11

So basically you are denying that "aggressive warfare" is the ultimate crime against humanity. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #12

No, that is your straw man. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #71

Why do you think we fought the Iraq War? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #81

I am on record on the air and in print calling it an unprovoked war of aggression. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #98

Thank you. Then you will agree with me most likely that JDPriestly Jun 2013 #100

What, in your opinion, is the legal response to "aggressive warfare waged by a state actor"? redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #90

Depends on the context AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #91

Not sure but I think mainly two reasons: redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #94

But if AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #96

+1 graham4anything Jun 2013 #26

exactly arely staircase Jun 2013 #52

No, he isn't. That's just a lousy comparison. nt MADem Jun 2013 #10

It is a very good comparison. You are wrong. Again. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19

Are you going to follow me round the board now? MADem Jun 2013 #20

No. RobertEarl Jun 2013 #22

I do not agree with your evaluation. MADem Jun 2013 #23

You think Iraq invasion was legal? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #24

You do realize your opinion leftynyc Jun 2013 #29

Precisely. nt MADem Jun 2013 #38

What MADem said ... (nt) SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #53

+1! zappaman Jun 2013 #60

Under what instrument was it unlawful? Recursion Jun 2013 #31

The UN charta and a few other documents. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #33

Declaring a war a War of Aggression requires a UN finding of fact, which is possible through the GA Recursion Jun 2013 #34

That is indeed a good question. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #39

Oh I don't know about that. Iraq had an invasion suspended since 1990 Recursion Jun 2013 #40

But, we did not send our troops in to kill and to die. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #83

You have a nice day, now. nt MADem Jun 2013 #37

Most of us knew that long before Manning and Manning did not alter my opinion of that. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #72

In your view, why did we go into Iraq? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #82

Manning indiscriminately dumped data that endangered people's lives. MADem Jun 2013 #87

Justice is justice. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #99

What did Manning release that illuminated the decision-making about the beginning of Iraq? Recursion Jun 2013 #13

Fact is, what he did was motivated by what he saw in Iraq. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #15

Lucky for him, you're not his defense lawyer Recursion Jun 2013 #16

Only from a certain perspective. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #17

Nope. Couldn't help with that Recursion Jun 2013 #21

It's only a horrible argument from a legal perspective... Pelican Jun 2013 #27

From the legal perspective.... redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #28

He also killed 4 people who were not Hitler, including two waiters Recursion Jun 2013 #41

So, from your perspective, it's legal to assassinate an American geek tragedy Jun 2013 #45

Chapter 7 of the UN charter discusses self-defense and pre-emptive self-defense. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #46

So, if Manning had decided to assassinate Bush or Obama, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #49

"The UN charter doesn't apply to the USA, because the USA is special and above the law." redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #58

It could be that Manning is a super hero RobertEarl Jun 2013 #18

His actions in November 2009 caused Bush to end the Iraq war? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #42

And I am one of the people that live in the real world. A world where the wanton release SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #57

Like Libby and Cheney are in jail? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #61

You seem to get riled pretty easily. Swearing at me in your first post. But, that's okay, SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #63

Yeah, it pisses me off when... RobertEarl Jun 2013 #65

It's clear that you are woefully ignorant of the facts in this case. Not knowing the difference SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #68

So the fact that he released information on both foreign and military sources is okay with you? SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #54

What exactly did Bradley Manning see AnalystInParadise Jun 2013 #85

von Stauffenberg and no cali Jun 2013 #25

Why not? Here's the thing: redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #103

Sorry, you are offering a "far left fantasy" not a legal analysis. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #44

UN charter, chapter 7, article 51. nt redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #47

Says nothing about legality of all actions taken towards a supposedly aggressor state, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #48

This article was used to justify military action against North Vietnam. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #89

That doesn't extend to people who aren't being invaded. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #97

You're forgetting something: kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #51

ROFLMFAO!!! Text of 7:51. Maybe you shouldn't call DUers stormtroopers. LOL!!! DevonRex Jun 2013 #62

Good lord. WTF. The text: DevonRex Jun 2013 #64

in essence, no arely staircase Jun 2013 #55

Five sentences Kolesar Jun 2013 #56

No 'war' was declared on Iraq railsback Jun 2013 #59

Actually war wasn't declared on Iraq Astrad Jun 2013 #66

Declarations of War are so 20th Century - nt CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #75

That's a grave insult to Colonel Claus Philipp Maria Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg. Chan790 Jun 2013 #67

Excellent comparison. I had to look him up, but the story is facsinating. Thanks for the info. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #69

What I learned from researching your post is that enemy spies have no right to POW status. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #88

Stauffenberg was a Nazi The Second Stone Jun 2013 #70

More like Hans (and Sophie) Scholl of the White Rose CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #73

Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #102

No. I'm sorry, but this doesn't work at all MrScorpio Jun 2013 #74

You are Delusional Riftaxe Jun 2013 #77

You are the one who is delusional. Stauffenberg CharlesInCharge Jun 2013 #101