there are some people whose exposure to "natural foods" etc. has been primarily via woo operations (Reply #27)

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27. there are some people whose exposure to "natural foods" etc. has been primarily via woo operations

and we all know there are many scammers and crazy claims
out there.

So while Person A speaks of organic food, thinking
of the bountiful local produce at the co-op, whole
grains, free range chickens; Person B thinks of
expensive "natural" highly processed foodstuffs
from health food stores, or the late night TV
ad shows about alternative medicines, etc.

The two sides are talking about two different things
most of the time, but calling it by the same name,
and never understanding each other.

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121 replies	Author	Time	Post
Would anyone here eat this? [View all]	Archae	Apr 2013	OP
actually, wild bananas were and are eaten by people, being one of the earliest domesticated plants.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#1
Exactly, selective breeding is genetic modification.	Archae	Apr 2013	#2
not exactly. old-fashioned selective breeding works from a 'palette' of already-existing genes	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#5
This is why "GMO labeling" is a dead cause	Scootaloo	Apr 2013	#6
no, it's not. selective breeding is not analogous to modern genetic modification.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#7
Scientifically, it absolutely is	Scootaloo	Apr 2013	#11
What? Do you even know the basics of this subject? The term is defined, and not how you're using it	Recursion	Apr 2013	#13
no, old fashioned selective breeding is not analogous to modern genetic modification. not in	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#14
thank you!	Voice for Peace	Apr 2013	#23
Agreed. Nt	newfie11	Apr 2013	#30
+1000	truebluegreen	Apr 2013	#69
This message was self-deleted by its author	truebluegreen	Apr 2013	#70
What if the modification results in exactly the same as what can occur naturally?	DCBob	Apr 2013	#103
but they don't.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#111
of course they could.	DCBob	Apr 2013	#117
they 'could' do other things too. and they do.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#118
no doubt... I agree there are issues to consider.. eg. unintended consequences.	DCBob	Apr 2013	#119
Not in the slightest. Educate yourself.	Katashi_itto	Apr 2013	#49
So youre saying all the kittehs and pups are GMO?	darkangel218	Apr 2013	#107
Well, if "GMO" meant what you were pretending it does, you would be right	Recursion	Apr 2013	#10
Not dead at all. GMO labeling efforts	roody	Apr 2013	#58
Plant breeding and genetic engineering are two completely different things.	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#76
Not the same thing. For one I would eat that unaltered, wild banana and	Cleita	Apr 2013	#41
Selective breeding can NEVER in a million years insert	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#74
If you have access to specialty markets	Warpy	Apr 2013	#19
The green banana types cooked in Latin American cuisines are good, too	pinboy3niner	Apr 2013	#28
Anything that didn't immediately poison the diner	Warpy	Apr 2013	#88
Organic strawberries are different from non. And no, they aren't the same in most cases.	uppityperson	Apr 2013	#3
There is absolutely no strain of strawberries called "organic", they are the same plants	Drahthaardogs	Apr 2013	#53
They may be the same plants, but there is a huge difference between my home grown,	hedgehog	Apr 2013	#77
I bet yours, like mine, do not keep for the same period of time the non-organic store ones do either	uppityperson	Apr 2013	#86
I agree; one should never eat a food that doesn't go bad properly!	hedgehog	Apr 2013	#87
You make a very good point!	RC	Apr 2013	#120
That is true. Strawberries grown by the organic method are not the same as those grown with	uppityperson	Apr 2013	#85
and the organic strawberries	Mnpaul	Apr 2013	#121
Not always.	LWolf	Apr 2013	#97
Love bananas!!	longship	Apr 2013	#4
Selective breeding is not the same thing as direct genetic manipulation in the lab	Fumesucker	Apr 2013	#8
Thank you!!!	GoCubsGo	Apr 2013	#43
Organic sequesters atmospheric CO2; non-organic uses petro carbon	Recursion	Apr 2013	#9
Huh?	Drahthaardogs	Apr 2013	#51
That was true until a few decades ago	Recursion	Apr 2013	#68
Synthetic fertilizer derived from the haber-bosch process requires intensive fossil fuel inputs.	antigone382	Apr 2013	#101
It's your thought that non-organic foods do not use CO2 during photosynthesis?	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#54
Nope	Recursion	Apr 2013	#63
It is exactly what you said.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#64
Nope	Recursion	Apr 2013	#67
No, the petroleum based fertalizes provide nitrogen to the plants	Salviati	Apr 2013	#83
Wow. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. No longer.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#84
Good point - Rodale is increasingly emphasizing the downstream	hedgehog	Apr 2013	#78
this could be a long thread	olddots	Apr 2013	#12
It usually is when someone blasts organic farming methods	Warpy	Apr 2013	#16
He isn't blasting organic at all.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#57
That's rather childish thinking.	Warpy	Apr 2013	#89
Some organic methods build soil, some do not. Some organic practices are dangerous and polluting.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#92
Exactly. I drink organic milk. I wonder if anyone could guess why.	Honeycombe8	Apr 2013	#96
I expect it to be.	Archae	Apr 2013	#17
Then answer the posters above	tkmorris	Apr 2013	#21
It's you who has the 'woo' becaue you conflate GMO with crossbreeding using made up	Bluenorthwest	Apr 2013	#39
"woo" being merely that which does not validate your opinions.	LanternWaste	Apr 2013	#100
The problems with many GM crops	Warpy	Apr 2013	#15
Oh good god.	Zoeisright	Apr 2013	#18
See what I mean?	Archae	Apr 2013	#20
And yet you still don't answer.	tkmorris	Apr 2013	#22
The OP is claiming others have an agenda while clearly having one of their own n/t	Fumesucker	Apr 2013	#24
It would be an odd agenda to have	tkmorris	Apr 2013	#25
there are some people whose exposure to "natural foods" etc. has been primarily via woo operations	Voice for Peace	Apr 2013	#27
you're correct that there's a lot of woo out there	Voice for Peace	Apr 2013	#26
The poster is advancing an agenda rather than arguing in good faith	Fumesucker	Apr 2013	#29
I happen to suscribe to both Organic Gardening and Prevention magazine	hedgehog	Apr 2013	#79
You need to read up on "horizontal gene transfer"	NickB79	Apr 2013	#104
I was wondering if anybody here would bring this up.	Kali	Apr 2013	#113
The US Fought wars over Non GM bananas to protect US Corporate Interests	enjoyingyourpeasyet	Apr 2013	#31
Wild bananas can be wonderful.	fasttense	Apr 2013	#32
Al Gore's, Bill Maher's and Ted Danson's publisher is a "woo progaganda source"?	Heidi	Apr 2013	#33
That's what struck me. I never considered Rodale as woo.	OneGrassRoot	Apr 2013	#34
Here are the "woo" publications they offer:	cali	Apr 2013	#35
Indeed. Thanks, cali. n/t	OneGrassRoot	Apr 2013	#36
Absolutely. I've long considered Rodale a progressive publisher.	Heidi	Apr 2013	#37
I disagree	Marrah_G	Apr 2013	#38
Hmmm, I am 70+ years old and no banana I have ever eaten has looked like the green ones you are	jwirr	Apr 2013	#40
Cause Cavendish bananas were selectively bred	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2013	#60
That is what I was trying to say. Thanks.	jwirr	Apr 2013	#93
What apologist tripe	edhopper	Apr 2013	#42
BAN SELECTIVE BREEDING!	MineralMan	Apr 2013	#44
There's a difference between	BlueToTheBone	Apr 2013	#45
Idiotic	whatchamacallit	Apr 2013	#46
Cavendish bananas are not genetically engineered.	QC	Apr 2013	#47
Umm... modern GM splices in DNA sequences that produce insecticides.	reformist2	Apr 2013	#48
Speaking of bananas and genetically altered crops:	polly7	Apr 2013	#50
LOL! What a great thread.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#52
Genetically altered or genetically modified?	roody	Apr 2013	#55
Now you've spoiled part of the fun.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#59
Yup, once it ripens	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2013	#56
More overwrought Science Poo	Berlum	Apr 2013	#61
Nonsense. You can get non-GMO, organic food everywhere.	Buzz Clik	Apr 2013	#65
But GMOs are occultly lurking just about everywhere	Berlum	Apr 2013	#71
"Organic" is a con -- a buzzword?	gateley	Apr 2013	#62
Sure I would	burnodo	Apr 2013	#66
I think I have eaten that.	truebluegreen	Apr 2013	#72
Complete FAIL. You are ignorant of basic science. Non-GMO modern bananas are diverse genetically	KittyWampus	Apr 2013	#73
Oh, and BTW Cavendish bananas are not GMOs.	kestrel91316	Apr 2013	#75
What an assumption...	Kalidurga	Apr 2013	#80
Enjoy the Cavendishes while you can - they are suffereing from one of the drawbacks of	hedgehog	Apr 2013	#81
This post is total bullshit.	bunnies	Apr 2013	#82
This post is total bullshit from the usual RW sources. Flame bait.	leveymg	Apr 2013	#90
Agreed. They do not respond to the many posts explaining the difference.	Pisces	Apr 2013	#94
I dispute	LWolf	Apr 2013	#91
There are many reputable organic farms.	Honeycombe8	Apr 2013	#95
Ever tasted wild strawberries?	Generic Other	Apr 2013	#98
I sure have, they really are good. IF I can ever find them!	Archae	Apr 2013	#99
You can grow them in your own yard	Marrah_G	Apr 2013	#102
This argument seems to be based around semantics, in my opinion.	ZombieHorde	Apr 2013	#105
I get your point and tend to agree with you but..	DCBob	Apr 2013	#106
Is Organic Better? Ask a fruit fly.	nessa	Apr 2013	#108
GMO and seletively bred organisms are different	Progressive dog	Apr 2013	#109
Wow!	peace13	Apr 2013	#110
If GM foods are so great & wonderful, why does Big Ag fight tooth&nail against labeling reqs?	baldguy	Apr 2013	#112
Artificial selection does NOT equal GMO.	sakabatou	Apr 2013	#114
Don't tell Kirk Cameron. nt	alphafemale	Apr 2013	#115
I'm pretty sure I saw cliffordu chomping on the first one.	rug	Apr 2013	#116

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