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77. "No justification for assault weapons" ....
Thu Apr 18, 2013, 03:32 PM
Apr 2013

Despite what the media tells you, AR style rifles are popular because they are used for hunting and target shooting up to and including national level competition. Most states limit the magazine size of such semi-automatic firearms to five rounds while hunting game such as deer, but magazines with a capacity of 20 or 30 rounds are commonly used while hunting pests such as feral hog in states including Florida and Texas.

An AR-15 is an excellent choice for home defense in a rural area. Its low recoil makes it a good choice for many individuals who find the strong recoil of a 12 ga shotgun intimidating.

The move to ban such weapons has caused their sale to skyrocket. Even if you disagree with what I just said above this was predictable as was the fact that a new Assault Weapons Ban had little chance of passing in the Democratically controlled Senate let alone the Republican controlled House. The votes were simply never there. The attempt to pass this legislation reminds me of Don Quixote's
quest and his tilting at windmills. If they are indeed "machines of mass murder" as the media claims why would it make good sense to encourage the sale of these weapons when there was such a low chance of banning them?

I should point out that although I have enjoyed target shooting for over 40 years, I have never owned an "assault weapon" such as an AR-15 or any weapon with a standard magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. Most of the regular shooters that I know do own such firearms. I may decide to buy one in the future if I feel that i have a use for one. For example, I might move to a more rural area where I could target shoot and hunt feral hog on my property.

Over the years I have known a number of gun owners and talked to many at gun ranges. The majority are Republicans because they feel our Democratic Party is the party of gun control. They often agree with me on many positions that our party holds but will point out to me that they will NEVER vote for a Democrat. I feel that the fact that often gun owners are single issue voters has led to good Democrats losing a number of elections at the local, state and national level over the years. I also feel that it is quite possible that we will lose seats in the Senate and in the House at the midterm elections due to the effort to pass the AWB. Of course, I could be wrong. Time will tell.

Just as gun owners are one issue voters, I feel this may be true of some liberal Democrats who support implementing strong gun control in incremental steps with the eventual goal of disarming honest citizens or limiting them to sporting weapons such as single shot rifles or double barreled shotguns and all handguns banned. Some Democrats are very willing to endanger all the accomplishments that our party has been able to achieve in recent years to aid their quest to implement draconian gun control. This more "liberal" fraction of our party is very vocal and garners a lot of support from the national media. Of course these Democrats have every right to hold and express their views but, in my opinion, they hurt our party more than help it.

Most Democrats are far more moderate and a good percentage own firearms as I do. I fear our views on gun control are largely ignored by the most liberal faction of our party. It seems that some in our party would use the gun control issue as a litmus test for a Democrat. Opposing the AWB labels a person as a right winger or a conservative. Facts and statistics that do not support strong control are labeled as "NRA talking points" and totally ignored. Our party was once a "big tent" which allowed its members to hold different views. If we wish to preserve our big tent which admittedly can sometimes look like a circus tent, we have to accept that a good Democrat from California or Illinois may hold different views on some issue than one from Montana or Texas.

Possibly the best President that has led our nation during my lifetime was Bill Clinton. I feel he gave our party some wise advise but was largely ignored.

Bill Clinton Warns Democrats Against Overreaching On Gun Debate
DOUG MATACONIS · SUNDAY, JANUARY 20, 2013

If there’s any Democrat in the United States who has experience in taking on America’s gun owners and the Second Amendment, it’s Bill Clinton. Mere weeks before the 1994 Presidential Election, the United States Congress passed, and Clinton signed, a controversial Assault Weapons Ban. Indeed, while the conventional wisdom continues to hold that the primary motivation behind the massive Republican victories in the 1994 Congressional Elections was due in large part to the President’s failed effort at health care reform, many political observers have contended for years that it was the Administration’s push on the Assault Weapons Ban, and the political backlash that it unleashed from the National Rifle Association and other groups, that played the most significant role in the tidal wave that handed control of both Houses of Congress to the Republican Party. Given that, it’s significant that President Clinton is now warning his fellow Democrats about overplaying their hand in the upcoming debate about gun control:

Former President Bill Clinton warned a group of top Democratic donors at a private Saturday meeting not to underestimate the passions that gun control stirs among many Americans.
“Do not patronize the passionate supporters of your opponents by looking down your nose at them,” Clinton said.

“Alot of these people live in a world very different from the world lived in by the people proposing these things,” Clinton said. “I know because I come from this world.”

***snip***

And Clinton said that passing the 1994 federal assault weapons ban “devastated” more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers in the 1994 midterms — and cost then-Speaker of the House Tom Foley (D-Wash.) his job and his seat in Congress.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/bill-clinton-warns-democrats-against-overreaching-on-gun-debate/


brilliant stuff /nt cvoogt Apr 2013 #1
Not really The Earl o Sammich Apr 2013 #75
Absolutely the best! n/t Sekhmets Daughter Apr 2013 #2
Pretty darn nice! nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #3
Good find. Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #4
That's a good one. K&R nt laundry_queen Apr 2013 #5
Outstanding. moondust Apr 2013 #6
But nobody wants to take away their guns leaving them only muskets Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #7
Yeah, I don't see anyone calling for heavy restrictions on the Internet. LAGC Apr 2013 #9
Does anyone need 30 tweets a day. If you can't get your point across in 6 tweets you missed. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #11
Lol, pathetic grasping at straws. You are losing (it). morningfog Apr 2013 #51
The internet has all kinds of restrictions. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #12
If you don't think there is lars1701a Apr 2013 #13
Did I say there were no restrictions? JoePhilly Apr 2013 #15
I am for lars1701a Apr 2013 #19
I'm a hopful eagles fan ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #21
I am a lars1701a Apr 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Apr 2013 #25
Free speech license...? Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #48
It's not. And your "examples" are sophistic nonsense. LTX Apr 2013 #53
Every single right you have is a qualified right, not one is absolute. Not one. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #63
I was specifically referencing the idea of licensing... Pointy_n_sharp Apr 2013 #83
Not without a warrant and probable cause. LAGC Apr 2013 #14
Join a well regulated militia and we won't infringe. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #16
There are two types of militia, as our government defined over 100 years ago. LAGC Apr 2013 #17
You helped make my point. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #20
Of slavery, militias and the careful deliberate wording of the second amendment. chknltl Apr 2013 #27
If the slaves had their 2nd Amendment rights would they still be slaves? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #34
If slaves had the 15th Amendment would they still be slaves? LanternWaste Apr 2013 #40
I think you mean the 13th Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #57
Which begs the question: "Are slaves citizens?" chknltl Apr 2013 #42
As a general comment, "We/they do X and Y, so we/they should do Z also!" isn't petronius Apr 2013 #18
You're not aware of the thousands of updates LanternWaste Apr 2013 #39
The point is about high-capacity magazines. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #22
When you use false terms to define an argument it's easy to win your own debate Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #24
What other purpose could a large magazine serve? BlueStreak Apr 2013 #31
There are tens of millions of 30-round magazines in circulation in the US Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #33
And if we allowed individuals to own bazookas BlueStreak Apr 2013 #36
A bazooka is a metal tube. It's 100% legal to own. Recursion Apr 2013 #66
I notice you didn't answer my question, "What other purpose (other than mowing down BlueStreak Apr 2013 #38
He never does. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #67
The gun strokers are. morningfog Apr 2013 #52
Tick tock... onehandle Apr 2013 #55
What's wrong with citing what many other DU'ers have repeatedly said? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #56
So honest citizens should only be allowed to own black powder single shot rifles. ... spin Apr 2013 #8
Like your handle. 99Forever Apr 2013 #29
Thanks. I've often been told that. (n/t) spin Apr 2013 #35
Got to ya huh? marions ghost Apr 2013 #59
"No justification for assault weapons" .... spin Apr 2013 #77
Nope marions ghost Apr 2013 #79
If the shooters are violating laws you should contact the authorities. ... spin Apr 2013 #80
Line in the sand marions ghost Apr 2013 #81
Interesting. The cops snickered at you. ... spin Apr 2013 #82
Of course they are doing something "illegal" marions ghost Apr 2013 #85
I don't consider your opinions insulting in the least. ... spin Apr 2013 #86
Well I think it makes a damn good point. calimary Apr 2013 #10
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #26
Outrageous: Charlie Manson's 2nd Amendment right is infringed! chknltl Apr 2013 #28
Charlie Manson is a bad example to use JanMichael Apr 2013 #50
My insane thinking.... chknltl Apr 2013 #72
K&R 99Forever Apr 2013 #30
Yes, a lot of things have changed. slackmaster Apr 2013 #32
Absolutely Brilliant.... WCGreen Apr 2013 #37
I think it works LanternWaste Apr 2013 #41
Great post, great ad. Sums up the issue of high capacity magazines quite clearly. DrewFlorida Apr 2013 #43
Good ad Dpm12 Apr 2013 #44
Kick otohara Apr 2013 #45
Lordy! shenmue Apr 2013 #46
Wow! That's a great ad. K&R myrna minx Apr 2013 #47
Right On! hepkat Apr 2013 #49
That's the arms for a well-regulated militia that the founders had in mind. onehandle Apr 2013 #54
Well regulated? Patiod Apr 2013 #58
It's gun 'reform', btw. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #60
The vast majority of shootings use one bullet. Not getting the effectiveness, here Recursion Apr 2013 #61
The vast majority of shootings use one bullet. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #62
What's the point? Mass shootings are impossible with muskets? I knew that. Recursion Apr 2013 #64
I also know that there was a higher murder rate in 1789 than there is today. AlbertCat Apr 2013 #76
And in case you didn't get my point: rate of fire is not a factor in about 95% of gun crimes Recursion Apr 2013 #65
The U.S. has had one mass shooting per month since 2009. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #69
Link? FBI crime stats. 2/3 of gun deaths are suicides Recursion Apr 2013 #70
But you said CRIMES. Got a link that "95% of gun crimes" involve a single shot? nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #71
Then I was wrong. It's *deaths* not *crimes*. The majority of gun *crimes* involve 0 shots (nt) Recursion Apr 2013 #73
What do you mean by "The majority of gun *crimes* involve 0 shots"? nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #74
In the majority of crimes involving guns, no shots are fired Recursion Apr 2013 #84
Got a link for that "majority of crimes involving guns" statement? nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #87
K&R SunSeeker Apr 2013 #68
good commercial samsingh Apr 2013 #78
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