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In reply to the discussion: It's very simple: If you want new gun control laws, you need the cooperation of legal gun owners. [View all]billh58
(6,640 posts)140. Which part of
"Wayne LaPierre defeated this legislation" do you not understand? It was not the "offended" DU Gungeoneer Gun Humpers who defeated the background check legislation -- it was the fucking NRA who most DU Democratic gun owners disavow.
You are confusing a general dislike for NRA Gun Humper cultists (and they do exist on DU) with sensible gun owners, from both political Parties, who dislike them as much as most as most Democrats do.
As for your last line, people like you who advocate that those of us who disagree with you should "please consider leaving the Democratic Party," have already left the Party and just don't realize it. The good news is that we Democrats will not miss you.
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It's very simple: If you want new gun control laws, you need the cooperation of legal gun owners. [View all]
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:Gun strokers?? Really? This kind of post is what is dividing DU and our country.
Kolesar
Apr 2013
#147
So you respond out of the blue to my post, and I'm following YOU around?
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2013
#192
You attributed to others something neither said nor implied, that's how.
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2013
#194
"The tide is turning". True- just not in the direction you believe it is.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#167
So what are your plans for 2015? How's that effort to win hearts and minds amongst...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#178
Your revisionism is as obvious as it is ahistorical. All gun owners were attacked here on DU...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#197
Then get serious about splitting the reasonable gun owners from the NRA, FFS.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#245
If you give on registration, you'll *get* universal background checks.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#251
I suppose you don't hold with the aphorism: The perfect is the enemy of the good...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#254
I'm not demanding you shut up, I'm asking you to reconsider your failed approach.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#86
Yes, cultural warfare. You need to reread the posts of some the more "vigorous" advocates...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#91
You might have gotten somewhere if you'd not treated this as a Crusade.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#95
I don't own a gun. I'm just sick of watching Third Way/DLC types charging headlong into defeat...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#9
It's no threat; we just saw the "all or nothing" approach produce, well....nothing
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#73
How are you going to get any gun control law to pass with that attitude? nt
darkangel218
Apr 2013
#133
The problem was the bill that failed today was written by gun owners so that doesn't fly
Arcanetrance
Apr 2013
#4
Fuck em. We'll win eventually. Their attitude is selfish and blocks progress.
morningfog
Apr 2013
#5
Gun nut assholes want to convince you that making no laws is the best way
alcibiades_mystery
Apr 2013
#10
The universal background checks I and lots of others want got defeated too.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#17
Because only about 4% of that 90% actually care enough to base their vote on it?
Llewlladdwr
Apr 2013
#15
And Gallup deliberately skews Right, because the Right pays for the desired results.
Ikonoklast
Apr 2013
#121
Just as a Frank Luntz poll skews Left lately- because that's who is currently employing him.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#200
Don't fall for misinformation. Although IDK if you want to hear differently:
freshwest
Apr 2013
#226
Starting with a sweeping ban, and ending with a patched-up B.G. check doomed both.
Eleanors38
Apr 2013
#215
Having taught firearms and also used them in combat, they are realistic for what they depict, that
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2013
#231
If you want the banks to change their structure to be safer and more supportive
BlueStreak
Apr 2013
#23
When the membership of the largest gun-control advocacy .org outnumbers the NRA by 80:1...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#77
The +/- 4 million people on their membership rolls might disagree with you.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#154
Something like 30, I think, if by "Wayne LaPierre" you mean "gun owners". N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#78
And virtually all of those 80 million are going to get to keep their guns.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2013
#24
We already put that meme to bed tonight. It was the need to get 60 votes not lack of gun owner
upaloopa
Apr 2013
#29
Because yes, if we didn't browbeat gun owners this would have passed tonight - oh wait, no it wouldn
MillennialDem
Apr 2013
#33
I have nothing but contempt for the National Republican Armory, and have enough history here at DU..
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#75
Getting rid of slavery required a civil war and the deaths of 600,000 to 700,000 Americans.
Llewlladdwr
Apr 2013
#57
You're saying it wasn't worth it in the long run? Really, you're playing that card?
Electric Monk
Apr 2013
#66
Yes, those poor, poor slaveholders who had the "hell" of their slaves liberated from their clutches
apocalypsehow
Apr 2013
#69
Well, that's vile. Senators who just shot down background checks are bloody handed cowards.
Hekate
Apr 2013
#61
You think that because I disagree with you I'm pro-NRA? How Manichaean your world is.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#74
You lot had the chance to get substantial improvements to gun control laws- and blew it.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#82
Ahem. I *did* and do support those background checks, and have said so here repeatedly.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#87
Maybe gun owners can stop threatening to shoot everyone they disagree with.
name not needed
Apr 2013
#90
No, figure out what we *can* get and go for it. The "all-in" approach didn't work.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#97
If you had asked, we could have told how to get the background checks passed.
aikoaiko
Apr 2013
#110
They fucked up the opportunity to strike a much-needed blow to the NRA.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#134
A classroom full of slaughtered first graders tends to get normal people angry
Fumesucker
Apr 2013
#144
No amount of "anger" excuses the hateful attacks by some controller/banners...
Eleanors38
Apr 2013
#198
Meh, I used to be a gun owner, then I wised up and realized it was just putting my family in danger
Fumesucker
Apr 2013
#204
You could make the same argument about the Koch Brothers. Just meet up and talk with them...
DanTex
Apr 2013
#216
You need to work harder at splitting gun owners away from the NRA.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#149
The large majority of legal gun owners support the proposed law. It is the Senate filibuster
pnwmom
Apr 2013
#150
Then why have they not made their support clear? If even 10% did so, they would outnumber...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#163
And if the Pro-Choice movement wants to prevent the repeal of legal abortion, it will need the assis
LanternWaste
Apr 2013
#155
Rely on the fact that rational gun owners know they're not the ones we're speaking to?
Arkana
Apr 2013
#189
The NRA *is* larded with morons and their leadership is a third-rate clown college.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#195
A loaded question that doesn't matter- they're a huge chunk of the electorate.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#241
Yeah, Gabby Giffords doesn't own guns...oh wait, she does...your OP is shit...
joeybee12
Apr 2013
#219
You are threatening us with what we "have learned today". Clarify: are you against effective
patrice
Apr 2013
#222
Do you think implacable hatred towards >20% of the voting-age US population is a good idea?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#242
Yeah, about that: "Note: ALL gun owners support the NRA" -and that's just from today at DU
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#258
Would you have us believe that gun control supporters on DU, such as the example he gave...
beevul
Apr 2013
#260
So when are you going to apply your own standards to the majority of American gun owners?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#270
"the American gun owners that I know" And therein lies a problem for you.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#274
Why not try it anyway, if only for the chance to get a lick in against the NRA? They ARE vulnerable.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#278
It seems you will not admit that the majority of gun owners *might* not agree with you.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#271
I claim no such thing, otherwise I would not be proposing a counterweight to the NRA...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#277
BS, legal gun owners support more backgrounds checks. How did that work out
krawhitham
Apr 2013
#239
If I believed that, would I be advocating splitting some of them away from the NRA?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#303