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In reply to the discussion: It's very simple: If you want new gun control laws, you need the cooperation of legal gun owners. [View all]Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)78. Something like 30, I think, if by "Wayne LaPierre" you mean "gun owners". N.T.
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It's very simple: If you want new gun control laws, you need the cooperation of legal gun owners. [View all]
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:Gun strokers?? Really? This kind of post is what is dividing DU and our country.
Kolesar
Apr 2013
#147
So you respond out of the blue to my post, and I'm following YOU around?
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2013
#192
You attributed to others something neither said nor implied, that's how.
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2013
#194
"The tide is turning". True- just not in the direction you believe it is.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#167
So what are your plans for 2015? How's that effort to win hearts and minds amongst...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#178
Your revisionism is as obvious as it is ahistorical. All gun owners were attacked here on DU...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#197
Then get serious about splitting the reasonable gun owners from the NRA, FFS.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#245
If you give on registration, you'll *get* universal background checks.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#251
I suppose you don't hold with the aphorism: The perfect is the enemy of the good...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#254
I'm not demanding you shut up, I'm asking you to reconsider your failed approach.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#86
Yes, cultural warfare. You need to reread the posts of some the more "vigorous" advocates...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#91
You might have gotten somewhere if you'd not treated this as a Crusade.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#95
I don't own a gun. I'm just sick of watching Third Way/DLC types charging headlong into defeat...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#9
It's no threat; we just saw the "all or nothing" approach produce, well....nothing
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#73
How are you going to get any gun control law to pass with that attitude? nt
darkangel218
Apr 2013
#133
The problem was the bill that failed today was written by gun owners so that doesn't fly
Arcanetrance
Apr 2013
#4
Fuck em. We'll win eventually. Their attitude is selfish and blocks progress.
morningfog
Apr 2013
#5
Gun nut assholes want to convince you that making no laws is the best way
alcibiades_mystery
Apr 2013
#10
The universal background checks I and lots of others want got defeated too.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#17
Because only about 4% of that 90% actually care enough to base their vote on it?
Llewlladdwr
Apr 2013
#15
And Gallup deliberately skews Right, because the Right pays for the desired results.
Ikonoklast
Apr 2013
#121
Just as a Frank Luntz poll skews Left lately- because that's who is currently employing him.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#200
Don't fall for misinformation. Although IDK if you want to hear differently:
freshwest
Apr 2013
#226
Starting with a sweeping ban, and ending with a patched-up B.G. check doomed both.
Eleanors38
Apr 2013
#215
Having taught firearms and also used them in combat, they are realistic for what they depict, that
ProgressiveProfessor
Apr 2013
#231
If you want the banks to change their structure to be safer and more supportive
BlueStreak
Apr 2013
#23
When the membership of the largest gun-control advocacy .org outnumbers the NRA by 80:1...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#77
The +/- 4 million people on their membership rolls might disagree with you.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#154
Something like 30, I think, if by "Wayne LaPierre" you mean "gun owners". N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#78
And virtually all of those 80 million are going to get to keep their guns.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2013
#24
We already put that meme to bed tonight. It was the need to get 60 votes not lack of gun owner
upaloopa
Apr 2013
#29
Because yes, if we didn't browbeat gun owners this would have passed tonight - oh wait, no it wouldn
MillennialDem
Apr 2013
#33
I have nothing but contempt for the National Republican Armory, and have enough history here at DU..
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#75
Getting rid of slavery required a civil war and the deaths of 600,000 to 700,000 Americans.
Llewlladdwr
Apr 2013
#57
You're saying it wasn't worth it in the long run? Really, you're playing that card?
Electric Monk
Apr 2013
#66
Yes, those poor, poor slaveholders who had the "hell" of their slaves liberated from their clutches
apocalypsehow
Apr 2013
#69
Well, that's vile. Senators who just shot down background checks are bloody handed cowards.
Hekate
Apr 2013
#61
You think that because I disagree with you I'm pro-NRA? How Manichaean your world is.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#74
You lot had the chance to get substantial improvements to gun control laws- and blew it.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#82
Ahem. I *did* and do support those background checks, and have said so here repeatedly.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#87
Maybe gun owners can stop threatening to shoot everyone they disagree with.
name not needed
Apr 2013
#90
No, figure out what we *can* get and go for it. The "all-in" approach didn't work.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#97
If you had asked, we could have told how to get the background checks passed.
aikoaiko
Apr 2013
#110
They fucked up the opportunity to strike a much-needed blow to the NRA.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#134
A classroom full of slaughtered first graders tends to get normal people angry
Fumesucker
Apr 2013
#144
No amount of "anger" excuses the hateful attacks by some controller/banners...
Eleanors38
Apr 2013
#198
Meh, I used to be a gun owner, then I wised up and realized it was just putting my family in danger
Fumesucker
Apr 2013
#204
You could make the same argument about the Koch Brothers. Just meet up and talk with them...
DanTex
Apr 2013
#216
You need to work harder at splitting gun owners away from the NRA.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#149
The large majority of legal gun owners support the proposed law. It is the Senate filibuster
pnwmom
Apr 2013
#150
Then why have they not made their support clear? If even 10% did so, they would outnumber...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#163
And if the Pro-Choice movement wants to prevent the repeal of legal abortion, it will need the assis
LanternWaste
Apr 2013
#155
Rely on the fact that rational gun owners know they're not the ones we're speaking to?
Arkana
Apr 2013
#189
The NRA *is* larded with morons and their leadership is a third-rate clown college.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#195
A loaded question that doesn't matter- they're a huge chunk of the electorate.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#241
Yeah, Gabby Giffords doesn't own guns...oh wait, she does...your OP is shit...
joeybee12
Apr 2013
#219
You are threatening us with what we "have learned today". Clarify: are you against effective
patrice
Apr 2013
#222
Do you think implacable hatred towards >20% of the voting-age US population is a good idea?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#242
Yeah, about that: "Note: ALL gun owners support the NRA" -and that's just from today at DU
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#258
Would you have us believe that gun control supporters on DU, such as the example he gave...
beevul
Apr 2013
#260
So when are you going to apply your own standards to the majority of American gun owners?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#270
"the American gun owners that I know" And therein lies a problem for you.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#274
Why not try it anyway, if only for the chance to get a lick in against the NRA? They ARE vulnerable.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#278
It seems you will not admit that the majority of gun owners *might* not agree with you.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#271
I claim no such thing, otherwise I would not be proposing a counterweight to the NRA...
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#277
BS, legal gun owners support more backgrounds checks. How did that work out
krawhitham
Apr 2013
#239
If I believed that, would I be advocating splitting some of them away from the NRA?
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2013
#303