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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts) Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:57 PM Apr 2013

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"Not going to happen"? Guess what: It already fucking happened. [View all]

Whether or not Obama's budget ever sees the light of day, the fact of the offer is out there for all to see. THAT is the problem, period, end of file.

It *will* impact the '14 elections, especially when the GOP casts itself as the defenders of SS and Obama's people have to spend time arguing, "Yeah, it was in our budget, but we didn't mean it, trust us."

This is already happening, in fact...and it behooves you to remember 2010. I quote Bill Greider of The Nation on that particular election cycle: "The party got very little credit for enacting health care reform because the Republicans had already demonized the accomplishment as a threat to the much-beloved program of Medicare. The rightwingers promised to save Medicare from bloodthirsty Democrats by repealing Obama’s new reform program. This was all a ridiculous lie, of course, but the White House declined to call out the liars. Instead, Obama responded with flowers. This time, he is taking Republicans out to dinner."

Bone up on those coping skills. You live in a world where a Democratic President put Social Security on the table during a deficit debate, even though Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit...except for the fact that the SS fund was plundered for 30 years, and now the bastards don't want to pay back what they took, a fact Obama seems comfortable with given HIS OWN BUDGET.

He didn't have to do it, but he did it. Some here have claimed that we shouldn't sweat it because the Senate Democrats won't let anything like this pass. Fan-freaking-tastic. The fact that the proposal was in the budget in the first place is the catastrophe. Leaving other Democrats with the duty to block a SS-cut proposal offered by a Democratic president (who was elected on the promise to defend what he now proposes to cut) only augments the catastrophe.

"Not gonna happen"?

It already fucking happened.

(Greider: http://www.thenation.com/blog/173771/will-voters-forgive-obama-cutting-social-security# )

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"Not going to happen"? Guess what: It already fucking happened. [View all] WilliamPitt Apr 2013 OP

And now this horrible policy will be proposed over and over again until the cuts happen. myrna minx Apr 2013 #1

The TABOO has been lifted....by a DEMOCRATIC President. bvar22 Apr 2013 #79

Carter and Clinton cut SS. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #108

But only Nixon could go to china, as the ancient romulan saying goes. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2013 #127

Yep. Thank you for saying it Will. n/t Triana Apr 2013 #2

That's what bugs me about this. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #3

Great post and excellent questions you've asked. PearliePoo2 Apr 2013 #13

social security can only be killed by a democratic president RedstDem Apr 2013 #40

This will go down in history as one of the biggest blunders when the next several elections are RKP5637 Apr 2013 #4

More like life rafts. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #71

Exactly. sendero Apr 2013 #98

One of the Biggest Blunders? bvar22 Apr 2013 #80

... perhaps a wolf in sheep's clothing ... n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #95

Horrific. And plotting strategy for here for 2014 and saving SS and Medicare going forward is stevenleser Apr 2013 #5

They WANTED it. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #72

I think we need a new forum here "Politicians who are tone deaf" Ninga Apr 2013 #6

Tone deafness is a generous reading. Look at the cabinent secretaries and his advisors and byeya Apr 2013 #10

Golf is the game for "doing business." I've known several people maddiemom Apr 2013 #64

The way Obama's governed, I'm assuming he doesn't want a Dem majority in Congress. Eom TransitJohn Apr 2013 #41

I fear our president is very bull headed and/or has extremely poor and unperceptive advisers. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #47

Nah how about "Politicians who are big fat poopie heads!" whistler162 Apr 2013 #52

I think we need to recognize that we live in a single party state. iemitsu Apr 2013 #106

It's maddening. Whatever momentum may have been in play for our side is stopped dead byeya Apr 2013 #7

Maybe this was the plan? It's hard to believe that anyone could have been this stupid that they sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #8

Or it could be the bait for the real trap... zeemike Apr 2013 #25

I like your thinking dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #34

That would be my guess too. zeemike Apr 2013 #36

K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #9

sometimes the obvious needs to be said, I don't understand why some aren't getting this quinnox Apr 2013 #11

They get it, they don't care. One good thing about this final betrayal, and I say final because a sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #69

+1000 sendero Apr 2013 #100

Well for some people, it's because they have blind faith. alarimer Apr 2013 #99

K&R Oilwellian Apr 2013 #12

Flip a coin... if it lands on heads or tails.... we're fucked world wide wally Apr 2013 #14

I Fail To See How Having The GOP Screaming to Protect SS From Cuts Is A Bad Thing Skraxx Apr 2013 #15

Obama has made the choice clear daybranch Apr 2013 #84

+100,000 Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #123

Well Said, The Transpareny Frame is Spot on! Thats Exactly What This Skraxx Apr 2013 #131

What you said. Welcome to DU. cliffordu Apr 2013 #90

OMG another think tank cronie.... grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #116

Because the R's will say we have to privatize it to save it. Eyes opened? grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #115

That Worked So Well The Last Time Skraxx Apr 2013 #132

Spot on! It is truly amazing Obama did this. badtoworse Apr 2013 #16

So will the Always Right brigade blame the Left when the GOP Rex Apr 2013 #17

What are we going to do? Cleita Apr 2013 #18

Maybe run as many FDR Dems as we can in 2014, and hope for the best, Zorra Apr 2013 #28

+1 - eom dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #35

what does +1 eom mean? sorry for my stupidity YOHABLO Apr 2013 #56

Not stupid. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2013 #60

But what does approbation mean? dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #126

I fear the democratic party is full of Trojan horses! It's not the party I joined years ago. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #49

65? God forbid! maddiemom Apr 2013 #65

WE don't get to pick who runs. bvar22 Apr 2013 #86

The dlc controls who runs for d presidential candidate. dotymed Apr 2013 #105

but, but, but...THEY (the GOP) started it! It was THEIR idea! antigop Apr 2013 #19

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #20

It's certainly starting to look that way. It looks like a mercy killing of the poor and middle RKP5637 Apr 2013 #50

Well it has Changed the fact the Repubs are always saying, the Democrats will not put entitlements Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #21

The Apologists Have Their Work Cut Out With This colsohlibgal Apr 2013 #22

Kinda seems like he uses the "shrub" playbook. Gin Apr 2013 #51

Nothing has happened ProSense Apr 2013 #23

thank you, Dense. nt tomp Apr 2013 #94

You're welcome, Lame. n/t ProSense Apr 2013 #107

"The fact that the proposal was in the budget in the first place is the catastrophe. " kentuck Apr 2013 #24

That is it, indeed. (nt) enough Apr 2013 #27

Agreed--putting SS on the table was a HUGE mistake, regardless of how it turns out AndyA Apr 2013 #33

truth 840high Apr 2013 #26

And now we will have to defend this terrible idea forever (until it happens) and we will beyurslf Apr 2013 #29

It was also in the NRCC budget that about half the House GOP voted for a month ago antigop Apr 2013 #31

People don't remember procedural budget votes - they tend to remember what presidents say/propose hatrack Apr 2013 #42

I'm certainly going to make use of the info in my district. My Repug rep voted for it. nt antigop Apr 2013 #63

Thanks for your post. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #109

That's what's so wounding about this whole thing. myrna minx Apr 2013 #66

We simply cannot trust DLC types, and that includes Hillary Clinton. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #30

^^This^^ !! nt NorthCarolina Apr 2013 #37

I agree Marrah_G Apr 2013 #55

Afraid you are correct. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #61

Which is why the corporate media dubbed Clinton and Obama the only "viable" Democratic Marr Apr 2013 #104

The Party Power Brokers are already anointing her. bvar22 Apr 2013 #111

to which they will reply..."So what are you going to do? Vote Republican?" nt antigop Apr 2013 #114

so are du feminists Doctor_J Apr 2013 #117

I like to point out that... bvar22 Apr 2013 #119

+100 nt antigop Apr 2013 #120

Such stupid bologna! Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #125

K&R woo me with science Apr 2013 #32

Exactly. Thanks for stating it, Will n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #38

K&R demmiblue Apr 2013 #39

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #43

. . . Whisp Apr 2013 #44

for once i agree with you Doctor_J Apr 2013 #130

K&R 99Forever Apr 2013 #45

Bush tried, multiple times, to sell the privatization of Social Security and got winter is coming Apr 2013 #46

I don't understand why the lesson wasn't learned -- by BOTH sides. Bush got away with gateley Apr 2013 #53

Yeah well, we're just all hatin' on the pres. He's just playing 3D chess or poker or .......... SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #48

Oh really? Like he's got some masterful move up his sleeve? We're not that stupid YOHABLO Apr 2013 #59

Ronald Reagan? bvar22 Apr 2013 #83

Thank you for this Will Marrah_G Apr 2013 #54

It is a general budget problem not a SS problem ... slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #57

Will "We were just fuckin' with your heads" be the 2014 campaign slogan. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #58

I can't help it, I laughed my ass off at that comment, bvar22 Apr 2013 #122

*What wasn't going to happen already happened! ReRe Apr 2013 #62

Alert the media. gulliver Apr 2013 #67

So behind in so many categories steelmania75 Apr 2013 #68

Of course it will Obama is a disaster. broadcaster75201 Apr 2013 #70

Yup n/t Timbuk3 Apr 2013 #73

K&R Jamastiene Apr 2013 #74

Wish Dr. Dean or Warren would run eom littlewolf Apr 2013 #75

Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Apr 2013 #76

Mr. Pitt! Yikes! MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #77

As another DU poster said yesterday.... blackspade Apr 2013 #78

No. This IS Chess. bvar22 Apr 2013 #82

In other words.... blackspade Apr 2013 #85

I'm afraid the game is rigged. bvar22 Apr 2013 #87

You have to change the rules. blackspade Apr 2013 #88

A pawn is sometimes the winning piece, you know. randome Apr 2013 #97

A Pawn has never WON a game of Chess. bvar22 Apr 2013 #113

I meant 'winning piece' as in checkmating the King. randome Apr 2013 #124

Just like it required more than a few pawns to sacrifice themselves to let the other side win. THEY sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #129

words have impact daybranch Apr 2013 #81

Well known factoid about Obama is... Mr.Pain Apr 2013 #89

Maybe we should just ask both Obama and Biden to resign davidpdx Apr 2013 #91

Saturday morning rant. The Wizard Apr 2013 #92

Question to all: What is the goal? TheAmbivalante Apr 2013 #93

I find your analysis hard to believe. fasttense Apr 2013 #96

Oh, good. Winning another DLC presidency. Alkene Apr 2013 #101

That excuse is absurd now as when I first read it months ago. Marr Apr 2013 #103

Don't get me wrong, I was just as pissed TheAmbivalante Apr 2013 #110

"These Repubs are forcing the President to serve up YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY..." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #128

You are right and it makes me sick Progressive dog Apr 2013 #102

Support for the Chained CPI "goes on your permanent record" Babel_17 Apr 2013 #112

Sadly, Obama has opened Pandora's box CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #118

Obameh! GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #121

Up WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #133

Dems fear Obama Social Security cut will haunt them in 2014 races ProSense Apr 2013 #134