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18. I certainly object to many aspects of the prison system..
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 09:55 AM
Apr 2013

one of my biggest objections is that there are people within the US Justice Department whose job it is to try to extend prisoners stay. They do this by setting an inmate up in an impossible situation and waiting for the inmate to make the logical, yet illegal decision to join a "disruptive group"..which in itself will add time...then watch the prisoner and make subsequent cases for acts committed under extreme, life or death duress imposed by the "disruptive group" they were forced into through fear for their life...all caused by the maniacal games being played by "public servants"...it is a disgrace..

One example is a 20 year old man who was caught when he was 18 acting as a mule coming from South America into south Florida. He was a financially desperate college student who was doing well academically. He was a thin, 160 pound kid whose only defense was that his single mom had forced him, when he was young, to take Taekwondo and he became a blackbelt in his early teens. After his conviction he was sentenced to 5 years in Federal prison. He was transferred to USP Marion and placed in maximum security general population. His cellie was a black "disruptive group member" who immediately and repeatedly victimized him. He complained and was placed in the SHU for admitting to fighting. When he came out of the SHU he was put into a cell with a Mexican inmate who was trying to get into the Mexican Mafia. This inmate gave the young man to a leader of the Mexican Mafia as a gift. The leader victimized him, he fought back and ended up in the prison hospital after a severe, bone breaking beating. When he was released from the hospital, he was put in with a member of the AB. He started out doing jobs for his new cellie in exchange for protection..things like passing kites, smuggling his lunch out of the cafeteria to be given to members of the AB, etc. As time passed the AB asked for more and more risky jobs. One day the guards made an "error" and put him in the yard with another white inmate who virtually everyone on this board would know..a leader of an ally "disruptive group" to the AB...a group which the kid wasn't qualified to join because he didn't have the right ancestry...the "error" was that these 2 were the only 2 in the yard until the kid's first cellie and 3 other members of that rival gang. (Retrospectively the kid believes this was set up by SIS to try to kill the senior member of the other white gang who was causing constant legal problems for the Bureau of Prisons) He said he decided when he saw the situation he would rather be dead than live another day in these prison conditions, and he was going to take as many of his victimizers with him as possible. When the dust settled, the kid had taken a shiv from one of his attackers and killed 2 of them and wounded the other 2..saving his own life and the life of this infamous..known worldwide..leader of this ally gang. The leader immediately negotiated with the leadership of the AB for the kid's full membership in the AB. The kid became the assistant to an AB leader. While some of the requirements for membership were waved, the responsibilities of membership were not waved..in fact he was required to do more risky and dangerous jobs for the AB. At this point, he explained, he had to decide whether he would embrace the brand or risk retaliation for failing to do required jobs..he chose the former. When I was interviewing him he was up for release in 6 months, at 29 yrs old. He feared most coming back in, but the reality of his situation is/was that once out, the brand would contact him to do jobs on the outside..refusal results in bad things happening to the former inmate or the inmate's family. I don't know what happened to the young man..I would be interested to know..

Without the instigation by the Justice Department agents, this young man would have quietly served his 5 year sentence and probably never re-offended..immoral, offensive, and damnable..This entrapment is the norm in the Federal system, and the reason these gangs run the prisons..exactly the same things happen to young black, Hispanic, and Asian inmates..a dirty little secret of the Federal prison system..

As for race, it is the factor on where an inmate belongs among other inmates whether he likes it or not. The other consideration is that there are people in prison who are, IMO, inherently evil..they are the other reason new inmates can't peacefully serve their time. The policy of putting new inmates into maximum security general population until the "earn" a move to a lower security facility insures few will make it to the lower security facilities...it is backward, broken, and sorry..

Oh, and I suspect whom ever killed the prison warden did it under the extreme duress of the disruptive gang he/they was forced to join for protection many years ago..or possibly retaliation for the warden's role in his/their lifelong misery for a mistake they made many years ago..

White supremacism: turning petty offenders into trained, angry killers since 1856! Initech Apr 2013 #1
Thank our prison system and drug war for that one... Taverner Apr 2013 #8
This is called "blowback" MindPilot Apr 2013 #10
It's way past time to end the drug war. Initech Apr 2013 #21
Amen. Just, f'n Amen Taverner Apr 2013 #24
Good, and arrest his friends too because they probably are accessories to murder, Cleita Apr 2013 #2
No probable cause, no due process. MindPilot Apr 2013 #9
Don't get your panties in a wad. I was just venting. Cleita Apr 2013 #11
Ok, I'm gonna unwad my panties now. MindPilot Apr 2013 #12
Not since the Aryan Nation sold them to the skinheads. cliffordu Apr 2013 #17
This is probably is going to open up a big conspiracy and perhaps the undoing of the terrorist Thinkingabout Apr 2013 #3
lol..."gang" how quaint Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #4
Domestic terrorism Mz Pip Apr 2013 #5
Lohr has not been charged in the Clements killing. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #6
If they are talking about the Aryan Brotherhood pipoman Apr 2013 #7
One thing I have noticed about the white supremacists is that they always disavow any Cleita Apr 2013 #13
They all join up for protection.. pipoman Apr 2013 #14
So you object to our prison system. I do too. Cleita Apr 2013 #16
I certainly object to many aspects of the prison system.. pipoman Apr 2013 #18
What a scary world you gained access to Generic Other Apr 2013 #20
What a dark & awful place. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #25
Fuck 'em. I have zero sympathy for neo-nazis. Zero. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #15
You should pray every day pipoman Apr 2013 #19
In this country it's easier to go to jail than to get a job with a good salary. Initech Apr 2013 #22
Dostoevsky: "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #23
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