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HiPointDem

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175. not by a gang of 300 black teens. but whatever. feel free to post the story about the women

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Mon Apr 1, 2013, 07:04 PM

Apr 2013

in the el who were grabbed and slapped, though.

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300+ teens attack pedestrians on Chicago's Magnificent mile. 28 arrested [View all] cali Apr 2013 OP

Glad I was out of town on Saturday frazzled Apr 2013 #1

Just wait until the gangs get tired of just attacking people in their own neighborhoods and Mich Ave AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #40

This kind of paranoia baffles me frazzled Apr 2013 #58

Projection much? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #62

No, that anyone needs an assault weapon to protect themselves frazzled Apr 2013 #67

A good friend of mine was shot in his own home by an armed burglar. Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #221

Everyone's experience is identical to yours? Marengo Apr 2013 #251

Of course. I figure the people in Sandy Hook probably didn't give it much thought. jmg257 Apr 2013 #73

I'm pretty sure little kids in school, teachers, people HappyMe Apr 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Apr 2013 #64

Well, why are you so afraid of rifles with protruding pistol grips? krispos42 Apr 2013 #150

I'm sure if our gun toting friends had been in Chicago, a bunch of unarmed teenagers would be dead, Hoyt Apr 2013 #157

Considering the number of teens arrested for battery... krispos42 Apr 2013 #159

Few, if any, were hurt. Of course a "menacing" crowd would be justification enought for gun cultists Hoyt Apr 2013 #165

Umm...because gun fuckers keep using them to shoot & kill bunches of people??? jmg257 Apr 2013 #174

So, same gun without z pistol grip is somehow better? n/t krispos42 Apr 2013 #179

Of course not...not if it is used to murder and shoot bunches of people. jmg257 Apr 2013 #180

That's what makes a rifle into an "assault weapon" krispos42 Apr 2013 #184

That's great. But I didn't write the AWB. I have read the federal bills, and numerous jmg257 Apr 2013 #185

*shrug* krispos42 Apr 2013 #191

Yep..like I said, AWBs don't usually go far enough. For various reasons, jmg257 Apr 2013 #194

"assault weapon" is an arbitrary term. krispos42 Apr 2013 #197

Of course its an arbitrary term. As long as it gets codified, who cares? jmg257 Apr 2013 #202

Thats what we need, an "authoritive board" pipoman Apr 2013 #192

Naa..just to avoid manufacturers exploiting 'loopholes' in order to skirt the jmg257 Apr 2013 #193

An AR without pipoman Apr 2013 #196

Great. Next time some gun fucker grabs an old Woodmaster and jmg257 Apr 2013 #199

Yeah, right pipoman Apr 2013 #214

Actually I want effective laws that can't be easily by-passed by jmg257 Apr 2013 #216

Except the grip (and a couple other cosmetic differences) is all that pipoman Apr 2013 #218

" Why are people always so afraid someone will invade their home?" alp227 Apr 2013 #154

huh? peachwired7 Apr 2013 #205

I'm not sure "savages" describes this situation, especially if you think playing judge, jury, Hoyt Apr 2013 #217

Randomly attacking pedestrians is not "dead wrong"? Marengo Apr 2013 #223

Shooting unarmed teenagers isn't either. Hoyt Apr 2013 #224

You didn't answer the question... Marengo Apr 2013 #238

Because it is a stupid question, posed by one who thinks a bunch of armed bigots Hoyt Apr 2013 #239

Your words: "Not saying they were right, but not dead wrong either."... Marengo Apr 2013 #241

Your obtusement, it means what they did was wrong, but not wrong enough for a Hoyt Apr 2013 #242

Your poor grammar...I suggest a rewrite if that is what you meant to convey. Marengo Apr 2013 #243

I obviously, except to you, did not use it in that context. Hoyt Apr 2013 #244

The definition of the idiom in question is clear, you misused it regardless of context Marengo Apr 2013 #245

Explain: "I really wish you would leave your guns at home." Marengo Apr 2013 #246

I am awaiting an explaination of your statement "I really wish you would leave your guns at home." Marengo Apr 2013 #259

I grew tired of having to explain everything to you. I think it is plain enough. n/t Hoyt Apr 2013 #261

Nope, you're not weaseling out of this one. I'm waiting for an explaination... Marengo Apr 2013 #268

Very, very little of what they actually did could be characterized as "attacking." Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #225

According to the article, 28 have been charged with battery... Marengo Apr 2013 #240

They were shagged into the Red Line by the cops and some folks got tussled in the process. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #247

The charges as mentioned in the article are unjustified? Marengo Apr 2013 #248

What? All was cool until the cops showed up? Skip Intro Apr 2013 #249

Heavens, no! They were being flagrantly black, teenaged, and scary! Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #252

. Skip Intro Apr 2013 #262

Your post reeks of wishful thinking. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #71

this made you think of guns? Enrique Apr 2013 #103

No, (1) the tag-line in the post ("Renew the Assault Weapons Ban") and (2) the statement "Glad I was AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #107

how about "no fatalities" DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #135

CPD is severely understaffed elehhhhna Apr 2013 #118

chicago has 12,244 police officers, one for every .019th of a square mile. how many do you think HiPointDem Apr 2013 #178

When the weak are defenseless pipoman Apr 2013 #2

What are you saying exactly? frazzled Apr 2013 #3

I think it was a JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #4

OMG frazzled Apr 2013 #6

Where did I advocate for a bloodbath? JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #9

The NRA wants guns out of the hands of people who are potentially dangerous to others HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #14

Your JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #20

Oh, the nature of the intimidation you are implying is readily shown... HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #25

I'm not a gunner, but what's objectionable geek tragedy Apr 2013 #27

I didn't say it was objectionable, I said it was heavily ironic HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #30

So, JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #31

Well, now you're just running around trying to change the subject. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #32

I can totally see why you JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #33

And that's an adhominem yet another fallacy. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #34

What? JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #39

reply #30 to GT HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #42

You never answered my question from the above post... JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #48

I don't have preferences about what criminals think. But you've raised another curiosity HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #54

You still didn't answer the question. JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #56

I did answer it. I just didn't answer it the way you wanted it answered HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #57

Wouldn't you prefer that criminals didn't have such unfettered acces to guns, jmg257 Apr 2013 #195

I think calling someone an authoritarian merely for holding a different position is LanternWaste Apr 2013 #181

Why is it so bad?? It has zero to do with weapons, and everything to do with sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #24

I agree with you that at it's JohnnyBoots Apr 2013 #28

The Mag Mile is heavily patrolled. I don't see how the possibility of a few CCWs would be >>> Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #41

A slap on the wrist in the juvi justice system geek tragedy Apr 2013 #60

Fair enough, but I'd still prefer too-light punishment over the risk of >>> Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #74

I agree. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #78

slap on the wrist? not if you're black in illinois. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #182

No matter how YOU intend that, it can also suggest thuggery as political action, which can be an patrice Apr 2013 #114

"thuggery as political action." I doubt some F.U.s think along those lines... Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #272

Since when did he advocate "for a bloodbath"? Why isn't the truth good enough? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #11

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #10

Yep..that's what it was.. pipoman Apr 2013 #17

Where are the parents of these hoodlums? malibea Apr 2013 #99

our teens all across america elehhhhna Apr 2013 #125

It was Spring Break for kids, not parents, who are likely working, or at night, hear ancianita Apr 2013 #130

WE pay! malibea Apr 2013 #271

pipeman thinks guns solve everything Skittles Apr 2013 #220

Removed (reply to wrong response) frazzled Apr 2013 #5

You wanna gun down a bunch of minors, be my guest Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #22

More people die annually from beatings than pipoman Apr 2013 #117

Why do you single out rifles instead of saying "guns" in general? gollygee Apr 2013 #120

Have you not noticed pipoman Apr 2013 #128

No one would be carrying an assault rifle down Michigan Ave. gollygee Apr 2013 #132

Some would claim they have (or should have) the right to carry an assault rifle down Michigan Ave. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #144

Apparently the context of the discussion is different than what you pipoman Apr 2013 #188

Currently it's on AWB because that's faster killing. Going after handguns in the hands of criminals freshwest Apr 2013 #266

Except pipoman Apr 2013 #269

Your data is correct. And will be roundly ignored. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #273

As usual.. pipoman Apr 2013 #274

if they push your mom inot oncoming traffic, elehhhhna Apr 2013 #126

Possibly... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #155

Isn't it funny how pipoman Apr 2013 #189

isn't that just human nature? Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #228

We've had teens assaulting older people here for no reason other than age. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #55

No doubt.. pipoman Apr 2013 #122

Oh! marsis Apr 2013 #106

I forgot Bernie Goetz is out of jail Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #131

as he should be.. pipoman Apr 2013 #190

GOETZ/ZIMMERMAN 2016 Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #227

LMAO. With folks like LaPierre appointed to high Cabinet positions or Supreme Court. Hoyt Apr 2013 #229

GAH! Don't even think that. freshwest Apr 2013 #263

stinks of the fake 'wilding' story. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #7

oh fer fuck's sake. post any evidence at all that this story is fake cali Apr 2013 #15

Do you have a problem with Trotskyite revisionism? grantcart Apr 2013 #53

revisionism is the province of chicago's corporate-owned media. update! HiPointDem Apr 2013 #153

i have no evidence this story is fake. but others have been, & when i hear "gangs of 300 blacks HiPointDem Apr 2013 #133

I saw nothing in the report (written or visual) that said they were black. n/t OnlinePoker Apr 2013 #187

but they were. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #234

That may be, but you said "When I hear gangs of 300 blacks" OnlinePoker Apr 2013 #235

the coverage made it completely clear that they were black. and the historical context is HiPointDem Apr 2013 #236

Yup, except for the dozens of arrests and scores of witnesses, it's exactly the same. 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #123

were you one of them? cause there were arrests and witnesses in the central park case too. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #127

Operative terms: "dozens" and "scores". That was not the case in the NYPD ... 11 Bravo Apr 2013 #136

because the media always reports accurately. especially the chicago media. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #139

update! yes, i have reason to think. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #142

THANK YOU Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #148

This IS what they said in local media reports...they started to fight lunasun Apr 2013 #211

Good grief! HappyMe Apr 2013 #8

I'm sure next week tom2255 Apr 2013 #18

They're thugs. HappyMe Apr 2013 #23

In the past, the Chicago Tribune, the Sun Times, and others in the Chicago-area MSM have AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #12

like when the beaches in CHGO are suddenly closed on hot weekends -- elehhhhna Apr 2013 #137

Where do you get this insane shit about Chicago? ieoeja Apr 2013 #146

"aren't you the one is always" -- No. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #158

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #164

Less Wrist Slapping and More Punishment grilled onions Apr 2013 #13

Less poverty and more education would solve the problem. But let's keep filling sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #26

We should do both. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #29

We do one of those things. Which is why we have the most people incarcerated sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #35

The perpetrators here will suffer virtually no consequences geek tragedy Apr 2013 #37

They have already suffered the consequences of a society that doesn't care about sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #44

They are more victimizers than victims. And the people they prey upon geek tragedy Apr 2013 #47

Exactly. These aren't young Jean Valjeans stealing bread... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #66

I agree about the poverty and education. HappyMe Apr 2013 #36

The problem is the jails are full and we have run out of money AngryAmish Apr 2013 #86

It would be interesting to know how much of our violent culture is spurred by poor economics. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #109

So a person is beaten and robbed tom2255 Apr 2013 #16

I guess one wouldn't, and would organize their outings very carefully. Women have to do that anyway. freshwest Apr 2013 #265

Charge them as felons and let them do some real jail time. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #19

We do that already. We try children as adults and throw them in jail sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #38

Illinois only allows "serious offenses" to land a juvenile in adult court. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #43

yeah, americans kids get slaps on the wrist, that's why they're so bad. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #256

I think that a few days in jail may just HappyMe Apr 2013 #45

No, it does not work. Why do you think 'a few days in jail' is the way to 'scare' sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #49

So, they should just be asked pretty please with sugar on it geek tragedy Apr 2013 #50

Yes, that's exactly what she's saying. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #209

My sons have never robbed or beaten anyone. HappyMe Apr 2013 #51

Young people don't learn right from wrong in jail. Most civilized nations do not sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #200

Hey Sabrina1, I'm curious what you think would be an appropriate action to take octothorpe Apr 2013 #70

I don't know anything about them. My comments are about preventing sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #198

There have been more than two. There are two that have been reported. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #46

The police showed up pretty quickly and handled things. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #21

Actually, they let most of them get away. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #65

Because most of them hadn't done much besides show up. And they apparently dispersed when told to. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #68

I haven't paid much attention, but it seems like Chicago is like NYC in the 80's. TwilightGardener Apr 2013 #52

Just watching that video all I can is say wow!! SpartanDem Apr 2013 #59

What a bizarre story. It's implied there was some sort coordination. Marr Apr 2013 #61

It started in 2011, but has not been covered by the MSM until now. There were too many AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #76

It has been all over the fucking media in Chicago. Where are you getting this crazy shit?!? ieoeja Apr 2013 #147

Saw a story about how the NYPD was gearing up to fight this as well. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #254

I think these are a variety of 'flash mobs' organized by social media use. freshwest Apr 2013 #264

More than 300? That's crazy. That's a sign that something is seriously wrong octothorpe Apr 2013 #63

Yes, something is seriously wrong but nobody is willing to even talk about the core problem slackmaster Apr 2013 #72

do tell us what the core problem is. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #176

We can't discuss it here. slackmaster Apr 2013 #226

wtf? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #230

Message deleted by DU the Administrators slackmaster Apr 2013 #232

if you're going where i think you're going, not liking your drift HiPointDem Apr 2013 #233

Your instincts are sound. (nt) Paladin Apr 2013 #260

then we'll have to fill it in Enrique Apr 2013 #237

Throw the book at every one of them. Peter cotton Apr 2013 #69

hey, yeah, an assault weapon could have taken out all 300+ teens! (and everyone else) librechik Apr 2013 #75

Finally someone in this thread's got their thinkin' cap on! Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #79

STRAWMAN. No one is making that argument other than you. Why isn't the truth good enough? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #80

what? No one? Really? The answer is, we activists tend to seize on small everyday news items librechik Apr 2013 #83

What I find is that gun-controllers (or people-controller wannabes) regularly make straw-man AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #102

I find that "controller" is a negative label librechik Apr 2013 #115

It's obvious when those who promote more and more guns in public pounce on a topic like this. Hoyt Apr 2013 #169

This one sure brought the authoritarians... 99Forever Apr 2013 #77

These thugs weren't stealing to put food on the table. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #81

You assume to know that how? 99Forever Apr 2013 #85

I know as much as you do. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #87

You think these kids got pissed off... 99Forever Apr 2013 #93

No, this is a bunch of stupid-ass violent punks geek tragedy Apr 2013 #94

Now, now- they're just "acting out their anger over being poor"... richmwill Apr 2013 #108

I guess the people who are urging geek tragedy Apr 2013 #110

You are the one who seems to feel a moral superiority… you are the one calling out KittyWampus Apr 2013 #91

They are authoritarians, mam. 99Forever Apr 2013 #96

You disproved your own claim with that definition. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #98

Absolutely. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #104

These kids weren't being Robin Hood types. HappyMe Apr 2013 #84

Who the fuck said they were "being Robin Hood types." 99Forever Apr 2013 #88

How do you know so much about their geek tragedy Apr 2013 #90

How the hell do you know that HappyMe Apr 2013 #92

Do they seem happy to you? 99Forever Apr 2013 #97

Again, you don't know anything of the sort. HappyMe Apr 2013 #100

There's no use in holding a conversation... 99Forever Apr 2013 #116

Oh please, like they have any other tactics or desire to converse. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #212

A literary reference that simultaneously demonstrates that you totally missed the point of Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #206

coincidentally they all got pissed and desperate the first weekend of elehhhhna Apr 2013 #145

coincidentally, no pedestrians were attacked, though it was reported that way in the media. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #160

If so, then Andrew Holmes report from the Good Men Project is wrong. See post #161. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #162

yes, it probably is. since none of the people reportedly attacked by 300 black teens have come HiPointDem Apr 2013 #166

How exactly do you know that "none of the people reportedly attacked by 300 black teens have come AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #168

because they haven't been in the media accounts. duh. video. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #170

a group of women on the "el" were grabbed and slapped elehhhhna Apr 2013 #172

not by a gang of 300 black teens. but whatever. feel free to post the story about the women HiPointDem Apr 2013 #175

LOL sylvi Apr 2013 #213

and neither did the people in this story. update! HiPointDem Apr 2013 #156

Authority in proper measure is essential to civilization. And you better face the fact KittyWampus Apr 2013 #89

The fact you must face is that authoritarianism creates those values. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #134

A few anti-responsibility excuse-makers too. nt Skip Intro Apr 2013 #111

Spoken like someone sitting behind a keyboard Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #113

it`s going to be a long summer in chicago madrchsod Apr 2013 #95

Upsetting... but it least it may make people pay attention to problems in other parts of the city JPZenger Apr 2013 #101

And that's the thing. The people most victimized by geek tragedy Apr 2013 #105

They are all victims of a greedy, corporate society that becomes less equal sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #121

Who said I was advocating violence? geek tragedy Apr 2013 #124

France wasn't like 1788 France either until it was. It took a while, too bad when the signs sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #129

For which violent crimes do you oppose jail/prison time and for which geek tragedy Apr 2013 #140

I'm talking about preventing violent crime. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #173

Thanks Sabrina. 99Forever Apr 2013 #143

Not a chance. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #138

Most of the problems were just moobu2 Apr 2013 #112

In STL it has become known as the game Beatdown,, benld74 Apr 2013 #119

UPDATE: 42nd ward Alderman O'Reilly tells what really happened frazzled Apr 2013 #141

is that "what really happened" or is it geek tragedy Apr 2013 #149

My alderman is pretty trustworthy, and a straight shooter frazzled Apr 2013 #151

Should somebody other than an Alderman be believed? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #161

like maybe the police? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #163

Actually, that is the exact opposite of what some cops have been reporting, including AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #167

second city cop is a retired blogger. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #171

This isn't inconsistent with a scenario of cops coming in for general crowd control and >>> Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #186

Would you mind posting a link to that? Skip Intro Apr 2013 #208

it's from the alderman's email in post 141. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #219

Thanks for this. Given the witness accounts in the video,this version of the story seems about right Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #152

"dozens of groups began randomly attacking pedestrians" Skip Intro Apr 2013 #201

my guess is they're not. since the only persons i've seen who were attacked or robbed was HiPointDem Apr 2013 #257

This thread has turned into quite the embarrassment, DU. Robb Apr 2013 #177

Several of the responses mirror those at our opposite number at FR. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #183

How's that? nt Skip Intro Apr 2013 #203

Agreed. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2013 #215

Actually, many of the responses were quite predictabe Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #222

what? thousands of shoppers were robbed and murdered? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #231

Wild in the streets Renew Deal Apr 2013 #204

Most of these thugs will have wasted lives. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #207

I remember the reports of the fake riots during Katrina and the denial of Danzinger Bride graham4anything Apr 2013 #210

They weren't vigilantes, they were NOPD police. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #250

I'm sure they're all a bunch of nice kids, really. Quantess Apr 2013 #253

Just misunderstood. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #255

I was being sarcastic. Quantess Apr 2013 #258

I know you were. AngryOldDem Apr 2013 #267

My heart bleeds for those poor, misunderstood teenagers, Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #270