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MannyGoldstein

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37. What's your hypothesis as to why RomneyObamaCare will turn to single payer?

Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:08 PM

Mar 2013

Seems like it's mostly a taxpayer subsidy for insurance companies and the working poor, but perhaps I'm missing something.

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Obamacare is Single Payer with a time delay [View all] Egalitariat Mar 2013 OP

From your lips to God's ears Freddie Mar 2013 #1

With any luck, I'll live to see it... Wounded Bear Mar 2013 #2

I'd like to believe this proclamation, but upon what do you base it? n/t Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #3

The robber-baron insurance companies are victiims of SoCalDem Mar 2013 #4

My premiums in effect dropped 50% this year. I was able to switch. Last year I couldn't. graham4anything Mar 2013 #5

My premiums have skyrocketed every year since it became law. nt LWolf Mar 2013 #18

so have mine nt freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #20

Mine, too. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #68

Mine have been skyrocketing for years SalviaBlue Mar 2013 #137

Anyone else have premiums going UP? Beartracks Mar 2013 #21

Well, I actually now HAVE premiums... MoonchildCA Mar 2013 #50

That's good news. Most of folks griping about their premium increases miss that point. Hoyt Mar 2013 #104

My premiums have gone up every year. Period. ramapo Mar 2013 #26

Same here. n/t Lugnut Mar 2013 #47

But it's not fully in effect and premiums have been skyrocketing for years. pnwmom Mar 2013 #53

My premiums went up every year. Moderately. LWolf Mar 2013 #58

Same here. City Lights Mar 2013 #66

Me too! Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #70

The "can't deny coverage" LWolf Mar 2013 #97

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of... n/t Ron Obvious Mar 2013 #100

Tell us the prices. Are you selfemployed or with a company? How much before and now? graham4anything Mar 2013 #79

Well, I won't go back and look at paystubs LWolf Mar 2013 #96

I'd like to catch a rocketship to your planet. Which one is it? /nt Marr Mar 2013 #74

so what are your montly/yearly #s? Work for a company or self employed? graham4anything Mar 2013 #80

Can you please cite exactly which provision of... bvar22 Mar 2013 #91

I Suspect There Is Something To That, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2013 #6

Senator Bernie Sanders said something very similar to this right after the patrice Mar 2013 #7

great idea, now is the time for dems to take this up and run with at the state level nt msongs Mar 2013 #8

IT is cruel, evil, and horribly expensive in lives and money, and may destroy the economy Demeter Mar 2013 #9

Tell that to the people who will finally qualify for health insurance in 2014 pnwmom Mar 2013 #54

Tell that to the 30 million that AREN'T covered Demeter Mar 2013 #62

This^^^ Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #71

War is Peace. woo me with science Mar 2013 #108

And anyone who STILL won't have health *care*, because they've been granted the Marr Mar 2013 #75

But now they can get it. Before they couldn't. graham4anything Mar 2013 #81

You don't give a shit-- I got it. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #98

Only if they can afford to pay for care dflprincess Mar 2013 #123

On what basis are the insurance companies refusing to pay for their treatments? nt pnwmom Mar 2013 #87

I don't know what their most recent reasons are. Marr Mar 2013 #99

I hope this person gets advice on how the new regulations affect his or situation. pnwmom Mar 2013 #103

Yup. graham4anything Mar 2013 #130

What part of the ACA caused them to lose their coverage? Bradical79 Mar 2013 #84

Do you have a link for that? n/t pnwmom Mar 2013 #86

Mengele?! Seriously?! mac56 Mar 2013 #72

Unless we get a Republican President to go along with our Cleita Mar 2013 #10

The day that happens, every thing will go poof! mountain grammy Mar 2013 #11

It's a good first step but it is no panacea. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #12

Profits are OK timdog44 Mar 2013 #14

If I own a product upon which your life depends, my profits will be obscene. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #15

I guess this could turn into timdog44 Mar 2013 #16

We don't allow water companies or electric companies to take the public hostage BlueStreak Mar 2013 #34

unless your in Detroit, the EFM is pushing through drastic water rate hikes, and talking of making putitinD Mar 2013 #46

All turned over to for-profit companies, no doubt BlueStreak Mar 2013 #56

You could sign up for a "non-profit" plan when available in your area. Hoyt Mar 2013 #105

I was referreing to the Detroit utilities BlueStreak Mar 2013 #107

you got that right icarusxat Mar 2013 #22

I generally agree with you. timdog44 Mar 2013 #39

It need not be out of kindness of the human heart. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #41

I am not really arguing with you. timdog44 Mar 2013 #42

When I hear phrases like "out of the kindness of their hearts" it is usually used in this context; lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #43

Sorry for my misuse of that turn of word. timdog44 Mar 2013 #44

Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #45

Just wanted to point out a new thread timdog44 Mar 2013 #145

Obscene profits have to be returned to the policyholders. It's already happening with the ACA. Zen Democrat Mar 2013 #132

No there are plenty of people besides insurance companies who are making obscene profits. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #140

If we're going to argue that treestar Mar 2013 #60

You should know that the prior to the passage of the Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #61

That would be great! mercymechap Mar 2013 #13

this is what i suspected. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #17

Obamacare is going to save my financial hiney! flamingdem Mar 2013 #19

"Oh, Dear Great Egalitariat... ReRe Mar 2013 #23

small businesses and those who buy individual policies will, as far as I can tell, be screwed Flaxbee Mar 2013 #24

No ProSense Mar 2013 #25

Unfortunately I have to agree with you, it WILL hurt small business. still_one Mar 2013 #29

Small businesses ProSense Mar 2013 #32

NOPE. 50% less starting in April self employed. NO existing clause. NO lifetime cap. graham4anything Mar 2013 #82

I hope you are right, but I really doubt it. In fact what I see in California is that both still_one Mar 2013 #27

every time a repub state turns down aca, i see single payer getting closer to reality. eom ellenfl Mar 2013 #28

In the meantime, the number of underinsured will continue to grow dflprincess Mar 2013 #30

... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2013 #31

Well yeah sure, but the campaign contributors will make out like crazy. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #36

+1 n/t area51 Mar 2013 #51

The term "Medical Bankruptcy" is unknown in civilized countries. bvar22 Mar 2013 #92

Hope you're right. joanbarnes Mar 2013 #33

Hope you are right, tell me when the annual out of pocket expenses will decline ... slipslidingaway Mar 2013 #35

What's your hypothesis as to why RomneyObamaCare will turn to single payer? MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #37

Then there is this. reteachinwi Mar 2013 #38

I find it interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #40

Brilliant isn't what I would call me not being able to get insurance for 15 months. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #48

I tend to agree with this, Volaris Mar 2013 #49

Democrats are going to pay a big price in elections before single payer happens uselessobot Mar 2013 #52

What on ProSense Mar 2013 #55

I do not think you really understand the bigger picture uselessobot Mar 2013 #64

Oh ProSense Mar 2013 #67

(She never does) Demeter Mar 2013 #106

+1 woo me with science Mar 2013 #110

I got ProSense Mar 2013 #112

See Reply uselessobot Mar 2013 #144

"She" does ProSense Mar 2013 #113

+1 Bobbie Jo Mar 2013 #136

"edit: I did not mean to slander the men of DU, sorry." ProSense Mar 2013 #129

I have rapidly figured that out already uselessobot Mar 2013 #143

I hope you are right. 99Forever Mar 2013 #57

Now that's optimism ! treestar Mar 2013 #59

kick Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #63

which is exactly how single payer came to Canada, in increments. grantcart Mar 2013 #65

^ This. ^ mac56 Mar 2013 #73

It started with for-profit insurance companies enlightenment Mar 2013 #94

It started with a very limited program, the Saskatchawan Hospitalization Act grantcart Mar 2013 #135

So, cutting to the chase - enlightenment Mar 2013 #138

Cutting to the chase of the 30 some single payer systems in the world only one turned from a private grantcart Mar 2013 #139

A plan developed to essentially protect and extend the longevity of the insurance cartel TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #69

Exactly. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #77

Here's ProSense Mar 2013 #95

No they won't. They are governors on the engine to limit the speed and consumption, at best. TheKentuckian Mar 2013 #116

Who is making that ProSense Mar 2013 #117

This is the correct answer. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #109

Great post! dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #141

I'm going to assume this is satire. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #76

they just don't get it think_critically Mar 2013 #78

I think a lot of people in need will suffer for years. Zax2me Mar 2013 #83

Single payer will have to happen state by state eridani Mar 2013 #85

my medicare payments are just starting to arrive this week madrchsod Mar 2013 #88

Yep. THAT is WHY all the Health Insurance Corporations are Running Scaird!!!! bvar22 Mar 2013 #89

Amazing, how simple observation of reality woo me with science Mar 2013 #111

+1 LWolf Mar 2013 #119

Let's hope you are right. David Zephyr Mar 2013 #90

Calling it one of the most brilliant pieces of legislation in US history.... NCTraveler Mar 2013 #93

It was a brilliant piece of legislation. Or rather, woo me with science Mar 2013 #114

Fully agree with your post. NCTraveler Mar 2013 #115

It ProSense Mar 2013 #128

A friend was offered medical, life, disability and dental for $104 per month, this is the same Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #101

So, should I expect LWolf Mar 2013 #118

The plan he is on is a group offer and I think if the insurance companies are going Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #121

My plan is a group plan through my employer. LWolf Mar 2013 #122

I think some shopping is going to be in order, let's see how many of the insuramce companies Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #124

Why don't you tell us what Insurance Company... bvar22 Mar 2013 #127

The company is Blue Cross-Blue Shield of Texas, remember it was a group rate through Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #131

State run health systems with health contributions from salary Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #102

No. Obamacare is corporate welfare and a payoff to the insurance industry Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #120

Funny, ProSense Mar 2013 #125

In this case I am. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #133

spot on eom arely staircase Mar 2013 #126

Premiums going up are not really a bad thing madville Mar 2013 #134

We're already paying WAY more dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #142