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Showing Original Post only (View all)Woman who gets man fired for penis joke, gets fired herself [View all]
So heres what happened:
1) While sitting in the 10th row of a Python programming conference, a developer who used to work for mobile monetization startup Playhaven apparently made a joke about big dongles and forking someones repo.
2) Adria Richards, a developer evangelist sitting in front of them, called them out on Twitter and in a blog post for making the conference environment unwelcoming toward women. PyCon then escorted them out to the hallway.
Women in technology need consistant [sic] messaging from birth through retirement they are welcome, competent and valued in the industry, she explained in a blog post.
3) Shortly afterward, Playhaven said it had fired the developer. CEO Andy Yang explained, As a company that is dedicated to gender equality and values honorable behavior, we conducted a thorough investigation. The result of this investigation led to the unfortunate outcome of having to let this employee go. He added that the employee wasnt Alex Reid, who is the guy looking straight at the camera in Richards tweeted photo. Reid still works for Playhaven.
4) The unnamed fired employee showed up on Hacker News by the name of mr-hank and apologized for the joke.
1) While sitting in the 10th row of a Python programming conference, a developer who used to work for mobile monetization startup Playhaven apparently made a joke about big dongles and forking someones repo.
2) Adria Richards, a developer evangelist sitting in front of them, called them out on Twitter and in a blog post for making the conference environment unwelcoming toward women. PyCon then escorted them out to the hallway.
Women in technology need consistant [sic] messaging from birth through retirement they are welcome, competent and valued in the industry, she explained in a blog post.
3) Shortly afterward, Playhaven said it had fired the developer. CEO Andy Yang explained, As a company that is dedicated to gender equality and values honorable behavior, we conducted a thorough investigation. The result of this investigation led to the unfortunate outcome of having to let this employee go. He added that the employee wasnt Alex Reid, who is the guy looking straight at the camera in Richards tweeted photo. Reid still works for Playhaven.
4) The unnamed fired employee showed up on Hacker News by the name of mr-hank and apologized for the joke.
I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes were made about forking. My friends and I had decided forking someones repo is a new form of flattery (the highest form being implementation) and we were excited about one of the presenters projects; a friend said I would fork that guys repo The sexual context was applied by Adria, and not us.
My second comment is this, Adria has an audience and is a successful person of the media. Just check out her web page linked in her twitter account, her hard work and social activism speaks for itself. With that great power and reach comes responsibility. As a result of the picture she took I was let go from my job today. Which sucks because I have 3 kids and I really liked that job.
She gave me no warning, she smiled while she snapped the pic and sealed my fate. Let this serve as a message to everyone, our actions and words, big or small, can have a serious impact.
My second comment is this, Adria has an audience and is a successful person of the media. Just check out her web page linked in her twitter account, her hard work and social activism speaks for itself. With that great power and reach comes responsibility. As a result of the picture she took I was let go from my job today. Which sucks because I have 3 kids and I really liked that job.
She gave me no warning, she smiled while she snapped the pic and sealed my fate. Let this serve as a message to everyone, our actions and words, big or small, can have a serious impact.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/
Long story short. Woman hears joke about a "dongle". She goes on twitter to report it. He gets fired. He goes on social network to claim that she missed the context of the joke. Twitter outraged when it learns about it, hackers attack her place of work. She refers to herself as "Joan of Arc" protecting the workplace from sexism. Some apparent hypocrisy ensued, as she herself was caught making penis jokes:
Adria Richards ?@adriarichards
@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425
She gets fired by her company after they and their clients are targeted by hackers (Anon specifically). She has been threatened on twitter, and now her former company is under DDOS attack by hackers. http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/breaking-adria-richards-fired-by-sendgrid-for-outting-developers-on-twitter/
In retrospect, I agree with Kim-Mai Cutler's conclusion. A dongle joke wasn't worth 2 people's jobs and possibly their careers, threats against her, and numerous unrelated companies being attacked by hackers.
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If they had not wanted us to make jokes about dongles they should have named them
CBGLuthier
Mar 2013
#2
... reminds me of when one of my friends wrote an article and mistyped "floppy disk testers" as
RKP5637
Mar 2013
#76
If I understand the arc of the story (with or without Joan) she was fired for making penis jokes....
MADem
Mar 2013
#138
The venue had rules against such beavis and buttheaddery. Therefore she had a right not to hear it.
redqueen
Mar 2013
#171
Yes, minimize it. Ignore that it wasn't the first time she heard such 'jokes' at a tech conference
redqueen
Mar 2013
#174
Wow. Person "A" sitting in the audience says something to Person "B"
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#206
They were sitting IN THE FUCKING AUDIENCE, and she tweeted their picture.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#201
Not actually prudish. She has no problem with penis jokes as long as she is making them.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#209
I put that in the category of suspending a kid because he brought lemon drops to school.
MissMarple
Mar 2013
#13
"She refers to herself as "Joan of Arc" protecting the workplace from sexism."
UnrepentantLiberal
Mar 2013
#14
There are people who mistake themselves for the cause they purport to advocate for, when this
patrice
Mar 2013
#30
Thanks! I just had to go read the wiki on "developer evangelist" as well - although
petronius
Mar 2013
#33
You can bet that pissing off developers is not in the job description for "developer evangelist"..nt
Paul E Ester
Mar 2013
#48
First time I heard my wife say "I need to order a dongle for work" I laughed for 15 minutes.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#23
As far as the story goes, she overheard one sexual innuendo that was not
Vinnie From Indy
Mar 2013
#31
No, she already had a discussion with another man about why such talk was inappropriate.
redqueen
Mar 2013
#39
She made the TSA crotch-groping joke on her public twitter feed. At that conference.
Recursion
Mar 2013
#181
When your twitter feed is the main component of your job? Whatever your company says
Recursion
Mar 2013
#187
You find it insulting that I can differentiate between places where there are restrictions on speech
redqueen
Mar 2013
#161
Make up your mind. Is Joan of Arc a righeous crusader for workplace virtue or did the boss do it?
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#194
A 'serial offender'? Was he a murderer, rapist, bank robber? How do you mean 'he was a serial
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#262
Wow!! How horrific! The guy makes bad jokes. Why isn't he in jail? Surely this must be against
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#264
Be extremely careful when posting anything about your company over social media.
Incitatus
Mar 2013
#38
I think he'll find a job pretty quickly. She, otoh, will probably find it hard to get a job..
sabrina 1
Mar 2013
#265
I LOLed at the part where she talked about how one guy yammered on and on about himself.
EOTE
Mar 2013
#245
she "likes tall guys"... HEY! THAT! IS! OBJECTIFICATION!!!!!!!! Come on, chant with me!
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#268
That's true. "Childish" should only describe Adria... and her cheerleaders. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2013
#197
Many people really need to chill out! This, is ridiculous. Frankly, I'm pleased she
RKP5637
Mar 2013
#63
No offense but this woman wouldn't survive in an office full of GIs. I can tell you
southernyankeebelle
Mar 2013
#66
Excellent point about how she could have corrected the behavior in situ . . . but chose
patrice
Mar 2013
#85
And the man wouldn't have lost his job. What a stupid woman. Karma comes back at
southernyankeebelle
Mar 2013
#92
All of us need to ask ourselves, in every way, what's more important: ridicule? or learning? nt
patrice
Mar 2013
#109
Good point. I bet both of them wished they could take that day back.
southernyankeebelle
Mar 2013
#110
She should of handled it on a personal matter. Then if the man kept it up then report him.
southernyankeebelle
Mar 2013
#94
All I was trying to say that I have seen with my own eyes women using salty language like
southernyankeebelle
Mar 2013
#151
I don't know him personally; I've interacted with most of these people on Python mailing lists
Recursion
Mar 2013
#182
Well, she would have a hell of a time as an electrician where they use butt connectors! n/t
RKP5637
Mar 2013
#81
LOL! And then we've got the old knob and tube wiring! And telco with butt end testers!
RKP5637
Mar 2013
#99
Believe it or not, I recently brought a new line of cock hole covers into my department
NBachers
Mar 2013
#145
Yep! Sometimes I call them side cutters now depending where I'm at ... we used to
RKP5637
Mar 2013
#162
You don't have to be dismissive of microaggressions to find what she did to be way out of line.
DanTex
Mar 2013
#184
I have a good friend, a woman, who was fired for making an off-color...
Hassin Bin Sober
Mar 2013
#241
Maybe we should change the names of Dongles. I thought maybe he opened a door for her
The Straight Story
Mar 2013
#133
You know, I actually thought the Dongles were okay. Their lead singer was kind of hot.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#141
The issue is not just sexism at the tech conference. It is also public shaming of
DanTex
Mar 2013
#175
So basically, this is someone who spends all their time running around looking for things to get
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#204
A perspective from a woman in the dev community who's worked with Adria.
backscatter712
Mar 2013
#229
I do not approve of that, but that's the internet, it brings out the worst in people...
Demo_Chris
Mar 2013
#288
"SHE'S the one who took it there. She wanted the attention and now she has it. "
redqueen
Mar 2013
#291
That's why this sort of over-the-top "social justice warrior" behavior is a guaranteed win-win.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#293
And this blog, by a woman in the field, says she's just a whackadoodle
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Mar 2013
#249
translation: This makes people who complain about things like "dongle" jokes look like petty tyrants
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#257
First of all, there was no sexism or mysogyny related to the original
Vinnie From Indy
Mar 2013
#271
You know, if engineers got fired every time they made social faux-pas...
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2013
#254
She's going to parlay this into a career as an internet Klaxon, no doubt.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#267
The collective has her name now. I suspect she is about to start hating life n/t
Demo_Chris
Mar 2013
#286
And here I sit, still two months away from getting my dongle management degree from DeVry.
Kurovski
Mar 2013
#279
Apparently, all you need is a good pair of boxers to tame one of those suckers.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2013
#280