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LittleBlue

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Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:17 PM Mar 2013

Woman who gets man fired for penis joke, gets fired herself [View all]

So here’s what happened:

1) While sitting in the 10th row of a Python programming conference, a developer who used to work for mobile monetization startup Playhaven apparently made a joke about “big” dongles and “forking someone’s repo.”

2) Adria Richards, a developer evangelist sitting in front of them, called them out on Twitter and in a blog post for making the conference environment unwelcoming toward women. PyCon then escorted them out to the hallway.

“Women in technology need consistant [sic] messaging from birth through retirement they are welcome, competent and valued in the industry,” she explained in a blog post.

3) Shortly afterward, Playhaven said it had fired the developer. CEO Andy Yang explained, “As a company that is dedicated to gender equality and values honorable behavior, we conducted a thorough investigation. The result of this investigation led to the unfortunate outcome of having to let this employee go.” He added that the employee wasn’t Alex Reid, who is the guy looking straight at the camera in Richards’ tweeted photo. Reid still works for Playhaven.

4) The unnamed fired employee showed up on Hacker News by the name of “mr-hank” and apologized for the joke.

I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes were made about forking. My friends and I had decided forking someone’s repo is a new form of flattery (the highest form being implementation) and we were excited about one of the presenters projects; a friend said “I would fork that guys repo” The sexual context was applied by Adria, and not us.

My second comment is this, Adria has an audience and is a successful person of the media. Just check out her web page linked in her twitter account, her hard work and social activism speaks for itself. With that great power and reach comes responsibility. As a result of the picture she took I was let go from my job today. Which sucks because I have 3 kids and I really liked that job.

She gave me no warning, she smiled while she snapped the pic and sealed my fate. Let this serve as a message to everyone, our actions and words, big or small, can have a serious impact.


http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/21/a-dongle-joke-that-spiraled-way-out-of-control/

Long story short. Woman hears joke about a "dongle". She goes on twitter to report it. He gets fired. He goes on social network to claim that she missed the context of the joke. Twitter outraged when it learns about it, hackers attack her place of work. She refers to herself as "Joan of Arc" protecting the workplace from sexism. Some apparent hypocrisy ensued, as she herself was caught making penis jokes:

Adria Richards ?@adriarichards

@skwashd you should put something in your pants next time...like a bunch of socks inside one...large...sock. TSA agent faint
https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425


She gets fired by her company after they and their clients are targeted by hackers (Anon specifically). She has been threatened on twitter, and now her former company is under DDOS attack by hackers. http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/breaking-adria-richards-fired-by-sendgrid-for-outting-developers-on-twitter/


In retrospect, I agree with Kim-Mai Cutler's conclusion. A dongle joke wasn't worth 2 people's jobs and possibly their careers, threats against her, and numerous unrelated companies being attacked by hackers.
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there's a difference between light-hearted jokes and harrassment Skittles Mar 2013 #1
Thank you.. sendero Mar 2013 #150
If they had not wanted us to make jokes about dongles they should have named them CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #2
Both my wife and I refer to USB thumb drives as "dongles." MineralMan Mar 2013 #5
Two people lost their jobs over nonsense. MineralMan Mar 2013 #3
It was at a Python conference...what do you expect? Xithras Mar 2013 #253
Good. LuvNewcastle Mar 2013 #4
It's petty people like her that make society a horrible place to live... Generation_Why Mar 2013 #6
People tend to take grudges away from the places MineralMan Mar 2013 #8
Here is her blog post. Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #7
*sigh!* All of this HappyMe Mar 2013 #9
SendGrid Fires Company Evangelist After Twitter Fracas Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #10
That's why some are wondering if it's a hoax LittleBlue Mar 2013 #11
No, a warning to the joke teller would have sufficed Warpy Mar 2013 #12
The accusation that she "got him fired" is dishonest. redqueen Mar 2013 #15
SEE? SHE REALLY *IS* JOAN OF ARC! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #29
Also Joan of Arc The Evangelist! NBachers Mar 2013 #142
I'd make an Arc joke Gore1FL Mar 2013 #160
Yes, the company overreacted and she beame a lightning rod Warpy Mar 2013 #36
Watch it now... redqueen Mar 2013 #41
Enough of this kind of bullshit goes on Warpy Mar 2013 #42
... reminds me of when one of my friends wrote an article and mistyped "floppy disk testers" as RKP5637 Mar 2013 #76
Now that's funny! Warpy Mar 2013 #79
"floppy dick" is funny, but "dongle" is offensive? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #139
"Dongle" jokes, done repeatedly Warpy Mar 2013 #210
From the OP: "apparently made a joke" ... see that letter "a"? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #234
Way back in the 14th century Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #112
... RKP5637 Mar 2013 #121
Oh, sure, I bet you'd rather pay for the full version of MS Word. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #140
If she had acted like a grown up and an equal... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #45
She's had prior incidents LittleBlue Mar 2013 #52
If I understand the arc of the story (with or without Joan) she was fired for making penis jokes.... MADem Mar 2013 #138
Interesting. Thanks for posting n/t deutsey Mar 2013 #192
High maintenance female evangelist... Dryvinwhileblind Mar 2013 #70
Oh, please union_maid Mar 2013 #113
I AGREE Skittles Mar 2013 #235
This message was self-deleted by its author Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #170
The venue had rules against such beavis and buttheaddery. Therefore she had a right not to hear it. redqueen Mar 2013 #171
This message was self-deleted by its author Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #172
Yes, minimize it. Ignore that it wasn't the first time she heard such 'jokes' at a tech conference redqueen Mar 2013 #174
Wow. Person "A" sitting in the audience says something to Person "B" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #206
They were sitting IN THE FUCKING AUDIENCE, and she tweeted their picture. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #201
Not actually prudish. She has no problem with penis jokes as long as she is making them. DanTex Mar 2013 #209
That's what I read too. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #223
She didn't just complain on Twitter. DanTex Mar 2013 #178
I put that in the category of suspending a kid because he brought lemon drops to school. MissMarple Mar 2013 #13
Business nowadays is to blame ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #80
"She refers to herself as "Joan of Arc" protecting the workplace from sexism." UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #14
Just so people know the context LittleBlue Mar 2013 #16
There are people who mistake themselves for the cause they purport to advocate for, when this patrice Mar 2013 #30
Very cogent reply jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #68
Wow, things really spiraled out of control. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #17
I doubt she expected that he would be fired. redqueen Mar 2013 #22
And I'm certain she was happy when she learned she got someone fired tabasco Mar 2013 #260
You weren't the only one thinking that. mwooldri Mar 2013 #104
For the non-technical people Sgent Mar 2013 #18
Thank you for that! jorno67 Mar 2013 #19
Thanks! I just had to go read the wiki on "developer evangelist" as well - although petronius Mar 2013 #33
Although that works in this context Sgent Mar 2013 #40
You can bet that pissing off developers is not in the job description for "developer evangelist"..nt Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #48
And ... when it comes to forking and spawning child processes too! And then RKP5637 Mar 2013 #74
Technical meaning for this use of fork. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #107
No, it was fork in the sense of version control Recursion Mar 2013 #180
argo fork yourself Skittles Mar 2013 #237
You can't be too serious in this day and age... Blanks Mar 2013 #20
She did this for sport, because she could Mopar151 Mar 2013 #21
"Social Justice Warriors" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #27
hahaha!!! perfect!! opiate69 Mar 2013 #89
Bwahahah! lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #193
Exactly. She is the problem here. Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #284
First time I heard my wife say "I need to order a dongle for work" I laughed for 15 minutes. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #23
Same thing happened to me but with my husband. RiffRandell Mar 2013 #251
She didn't "get him fired". redqueen Mar 2013 #24
As far as the story goes, she overheard one sexual innuendo that was not Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #31
No, she already had a discussion with another man about why such talk was inappropriate. redqueen Mar 2013 #39
I thought she has also made penis jokes on her twitter feed Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #44
She made the TSA crotch-groping joke on her public twitter feed. At that conference. Recursion Mar 2013 #181
What rules apply to what can be said on Twitter? redqueen Mar 2013 #186
When your twitter feed is the main component of your job? Whatever your company says Recursion Mar 2013 #187
How was it not wrong to post the guys' pictures? DanTex Mar 2013 #190
Whatever it takes Recursion Mar 2013 #250
I didn't know her Twitter feed was work-related. redqueen Mar 2013 #191
If your intent is that theKed Mar 2013 #198
So her increased level of annoyance enlightenment Mar 2013 #228
No. I think she overreacted. redqueen Mar 2013 #231
Okay. enlightenment Mar 2013 #242
"I think the whole thing spun out of rationality early." That's Twitter for you. apnu Mar 2013 #214
That's a good point gollygee Mar 2013 #233
True that (nt) apnu Mar 2013 #240
What? "Making sexual innuendos on your own blog" is fine, but LTX Mar 2013 #155
You find it insulting that I can differentiate between places where there are restrictions on speech redqueen Mar 2013 #161
Fascinating. LTX Mar 2013 #168
Depressing. redqueen Mar 2013 #176
Make up your mind. Is Joan of Arc a righeous crusader for workplace virtue or did the boss do it? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #194
Seriously? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #205
I guess we'll have to change 142 million pieces of documentation snooper2 Mar 2013 #25
Put your dongle back where it belongs demwing Mar 2013 #32
Those aren't dongles. They are gender changers. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #46
well now your just bragging demwing Mar 2013 #54
Live by the sword, die by the sword. (Um, I don't mean "sword" as euphemism.) Bucky Mar 2013 #26
Firing for this is too harsh Downtown Hound Mar 2013 #28
yeah, that's about the sum of it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #294
Ugh jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #34
Not to go too deep into things, but it's kind of enough to know a few things JVS Mar 2013 #57
that's what think is enough because it confirms your own BainsBane Mar 2013 #95
You are ascribing views to me in order to confirm your biases. JVS Mar 2013 #108
He lost his job BainsBane Mar 2013 #269
"that's what think is enough because it confirms" snooper2 Mar 2013 #135
A 'serial offender'? Was he a murderer, rapist, bank robber? How do you mean 'he was a serial sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #262
No one should have been fired here, period. (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #35
The first guy's company has said it wasn't just this Recursion Mar 2013 #37
Amazing that that little factoid isn't mentioned in the OP. redqueen Mar 2013 #47
She overheard a comment and over reacted. Jenoch Mar 2013 #117
Where did you draw that from? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #56
Some Python blog (I vaguely know most of these people) Recursion Mar 2013 #73
I didn't gather that from their statement. tammywammy Mar 2013 #58
Wow!! How horrific! The guy makes bad jokes. Why isn't he in jail? Surely this must be against sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #264
Be extremely careful when posting anything about your company over social media. Incitatus Mar 2013 #38
Oh, hell no riqster Mar 2013 #62
Is "forking a dongle" really ok on DU? Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #43
Dongle = penis? edbermac Mar 2013 #49
In her warped mind it is krawhitham Mar 2013 #252
This blogger OVERHEARD a comment. It was a comment Jenoch Mar 2013 #50
Chances of it unfolding as described are highly unlikely BainsBane Mar 2013 #51
His job search is doing to be difficult, methinks. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #55
Maybe, maybe not. mwooldri Mar 2013 #102
I think he'll find a job pretty quickly. She, otoh, will probably find it hard to get a job.. sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #265
This ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #61
My 85 year old MIL just read this and in a deadpan voice said and I quote uselessobot Mar 2013 #53
Ms. Richards on dating Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #60
Zzzzz.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #67
Couldn't get past the first five minutes Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #71
I watched it, it only confirms uselessobots hunch...nt Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #78
I randomly clicked on what was about 10 minutes in, and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2013 #152
She doesn't date because of past "drama"? LittleBlue Mar 2013 #72
Hmm... davidthegnome Mar 2013 #91
Self absorbed obsessive compulsive is more apt. Puglover Mar 2013 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author Puglover Mar 2013 #217
Mrs. Goldstein watched, and says she'd not make a good Pope MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #129
I LOLed at the part where she talked about how one guy yammered on and on about himself. EOTE Mar 2013 #245
she "likes tall guys"... HEY! THAT! IS! OBJECTIFICATION!!!!!!!! Come on, chant with me! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #268
I hate when women act so childishly. SamReynolds Mar 2013 #59
Huh, I didn't think we were at a point Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #159
Thanks for calling that out. Huge tell right there. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #163
No problem, I kinda couldn't believe Cal Carpenter Mar 2013 #189
It is sad... zaireeka Mar 2013 #173
P.S. zaireeka Mar 2013 #177
That's true. "Childish" should only describe Adria... and her cheerleaders. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #197
I did no such thing. SamReynolds Mar 2013 #261
Many people really need to chill out! This, is ridiculous. Frankly, I'm pleased she RKP5637 Mar 2013 #63
Oh that the job market would improve immensely treestar Mar 2013 #64
Joan of Arc? Really? Apophis Mar 2013 #65
No offense but this woman wouldn't survive in an office full of GIs. I can tell you southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #66
You better edit, quick ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #69
Thanks I just didn't catch it. Glad you did. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #75
That's probably still not good enough ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #82
You have a point. But lets see for now. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #83
It's a festering swamp of teeming giant dongles! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #96
Wow. That's absurd. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2013 #244
It was just some advice, I'm not an alerter ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #247
Excellent point about how she could have corrected the behavior in situ . . . but chose patrice Mar 2013 #85
And the man wouldn't have lost his job. What a stupid woman. Karma comes back at southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #92
All of us need to ask ourselves, in every way, what's more important: ridicule? or learning? nt patrice Mar 2013 #109
Good point. I bet both of them wished they could take that day back. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #110
I think that would be a beautiful thing if they could. nt patrice Mar 2013 #211
certainly would. nt southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #213
She wasn't working with GIs BainsBane Mar 2013 #88
She should of handled it on a personal matter. Then if the man kept it up then report him. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #94
The man was a serial offender BainsBane Mar 2013 #97
Whatever. I am not on trial here. Forget. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #101
I did not mean to put you on trial. BainsBane Mar 2013 #125
All I was trying to say that I have seen with my own eyes women using salty language like southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #151
If your son was in as much danger of being sufrommich Mar 2013 #169
On what do you base your claim this man is a serial offender? Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #123
Recursion says he knows the people involved BainsBane Mar 2013 #126
No, I don't think that's accurate DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2013 #134
that's what I took from post 37 BainsBane Mar 2013 #137
I don't know him personally; I've interacted with most of these people on Python mailing lists Recursion Mar 2013 #182
somehow I always knew BainsBane Mar 2013 #226
Ive never heard of "dongle" before darkangel218 Mar 2013 #77
That's a temporary license to use a software. DetlefK Mar 2013 #154
Originally and today they were devices to prevent piracy CBGLuthier Mar 2013 #227
Well, she would have a hell of a time as an electrician where they use butt connectors! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #81
Don't forget secondvariety Mar 2013 #86
LOL! And then we've got the old knob and tube wiring! And telco with butt end testers! RKP5637 Mar 2013 #99
Believe it or not, I recently brought a new line of cock hole covers into my department NBachers Mar 2013 #145
Do you have some "pet cocks" too? LOL RKP5637 Mar 2013 #166
Don't forget your "Dykes" yourout Mar 2013 #127
Yep! Sometimes I call them side cutters now depending where I'm at ... we used to RKP5637 Mar 2013 #162
butt connectors, those are nothing compared to my old snooper2 Mar 2013 #136
... RKP5637 Mar 2013 #164
"Unit" Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #143
Great!!! RKP5637 Mar 2013 #165
Rigging on tall ships has c**t splices Recursion Mar 2013 #185
Wow!!! I never knew that ... I learn something new on DU every day! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2013 #200
I'm glad I work in the field. secondvariety Mar 2013 #84
She should have never posted the guy's picture to begin with RedCappedBandit Mar 2013 #87
Yeah really. JVS Mar 2013 #132
A crusader in her own mind quinnox Mar 2013 #90
My first question was... Union Scribe Mar 2013 #263
work place rules 4Q2u2 Mar 2013 #93
You mean the "TALL" guys. That's as far as I could get NBachers Mar 2013 #146
The Venturebeat article says she's now getting sufrommich Mar 2013 #98
4chan AngryAmish Mar 2013 #158
This story is a Rorschach test BainsBane Mar 2013 #100
isn't everything? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #103
That's Slash! ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #111
I know. Paging Elad! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #118
Perhaps. JVS Mar 2013 #114
How could you post such an obscene graphic on DU? guardian Mar 2013 #203
They'd hide it too BainsBane Mar 2013 #225
Another view ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #105
So she nerd shames a couple of guys for lifetime of frustrations? union_maid Mar 2013 #115
Well bless your heart. ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #116
That wouldn't be a microaggression, would it? EOTE Mar 2013 #215
It's their latest thing. sibelian Mar 2013 #278
I hear ya! pacalo Mar 2013 #124
"a lifetime of microaggressions" sibelian Mar 2013 #122
Are you unfamiliar with the concept? redqueen Mar 2013 #148
would you consider getting fired from your job over a "dongle" joke Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #144
No, that's a macroaggression. EOTE Mar 2013 #216
You don't have to be dismissive of microaggressions to find what she did to be way out of line. DanTex Mar 2013 #184
+1 deutsey Mar 2013 #188
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #255
What a stupid mess. DanTex Mar 2013 #106
That's the tragedy here jollyreaper2112 Mar 2013 #119
That attention meant she could no longer be effective at her job jeff47 Mar 2013 #207
And she exposed how effective she is at her job in front of the world. dkf Mar 2013 #277
Moral of the story: technology is not always your friend. Beacool Mar 2013 #120
Nitpick - this was not at his work place jeff47 Mar 2013 #208
Maybe so, but if it's related to one's job it's the same. Beacool Mar 2013 #243
Driving my blood center bus one day three women riding with me brewens Mar 2013 #128
I have a good friend, a woman, who was fired for making an off-color... Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #241
"Python"? Really? Sounds like some sort of ding-a-ling joke. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #130
The racist posts on her facebook page are deplorable.. HipChick Mar 2013 #131
Maybe we should change the names of Dongles. I thought maybe he opened a door for her The Straight Story Mar 2013 #133
You know, I actually thought the Dongles were okay. Their lead singer was kind of hot. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #141
no, that's the "Dangles" not the "Bangles"... n/t Locrian Mar 2013 #153
Still is... DanTex Mar 2013 #167
What bullshit. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #147
Indeed n/t deutsey Mar 2013 #156
I don't know what to think gollygee Mar 2013 #157
The issue is not just sexism at the tech conference. It is also public shaming of DanTex Mar 2013 #175
She would fit right in with the umbrage brigade around here. Exultant Democracy Mar 2013 #179
LOL. Yup, pretty much. NT EOTE Mar 2013 #212
As a woman, I sure wouldn't want to work with her mainer Mar 2013 #183
I guess I don't understand - is "big dongle" a sexual reference?? cbdo2007 Mar 2013 #195
Yes, but it contains the word "dong" as well. EOTE Mar 2013 #220
When I first read it, I thought he was on the stage. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #273
great blog on the issue, with a bit of her history geek_sabre Mar 2013 #196
Excellent post. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #199
So basically, this is someone who spends all their time running around looking for things to get Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #204
Yes. It's like the "opening doors for women is benevolent sexism" thing. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #222
I wonder what her username is? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #236
I wondered the exact same thing, Warren. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #274
I read a bunch of blogs about the incident, and tblue37 Mar 2013 #276
Did anyone open a door for her? NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #202
Maybe? Puglover Mar 2013 #218
She had a right to tweet about it. But NOT to ID him. mainer Mar 2013 #219
Stupid people get what they deserve the most. Rex Mar 2013 #221
the nerds have begun feeding on each other....this is bad....nt Evasporque Mar 2013 #224
A perspective from a woman in the dev community who's worked with Adria. backscatter712 Mar 2013 #229
Interesting article. I feel bad for everyone harmed by this. nt. polly7 Mar 2013 #230
Just FYI, she doesn't consider herself a feminist. redqueen Mar 2013 #232
...time to distance from her? Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #238
Her cause is claiming sexist BS and getting random strangers fired Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #285
Well she's getting rape and death threats now so redqueen Mar 2013 #287
I do not approve of that, but that's the internet, it brings out the worst in people... Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #288
Yeah, it's totally her fault. Totally. redqueen Mar 2013 #289
I already said I do not approve of those comments Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #290
"SHE'S the one who took it there. She wanted the attention and now she has it. " redqueen Mar 2013 #291
Public opinion, usually a fair judge of these things, is against her Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #292
That's why this sort of over-the-top "social justice warrior" behavior is a guaranteed win-win. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #293
This whole conversation about her here and elsewhere sufrommich Mar 2013 #239
Excellent post. redqueen Mar 2013 #246
Very well said sufrommich. MoclipsHumptulips Mar 2013 #248
And this blog, by a woman in the field, says she's just a whackadoodle ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #249
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN OVERREACTION! EVAH! Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #258
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #256
translation: This makes people who complain about things like "dongle" jokes look like petty tyrants Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #257
Absolutely. BainsBane Mar 2013 #270
First of all, there was no sexism or mysogyny related to the original Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #271
You know, if engineers got fired every time they made social faux-pas... MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #254
It could also explain the collapse of our technology to a new stone age. JVS Mar 2013 #266
It's all about power with some people tabasco Mar 2013 #259
She's going to parlay this into a career as an internet Klaxon, no doubt. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #267
Yep! Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #272
The collective has her name now. I suspect she is about to start hating life n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #286
I hear tell that AMC is having a problem with Jon Hamm's dongle Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #275
And here I sit, still two months away from getting my dongle management degree from DeVry. Kurovski Mar 2013 #279
Apparently, all you need is a good pair of boxers to tame one of those suckers. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #280
Sure, that's what Hanes, Inc. WANTS you to believe. Kurovski Mar 2013 #281
The Fruit-Loom-Industrial Complex. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #282
And now...you are on their list Kurovski Mar 2013 #283
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