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MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
41. Skepticism of religion...
Sat Mar 16, 2013, 02:06 PM
Mar 2013

might intimidate religious people because it reveals their insecurities about their beliefs. But criticism and skepticism are not intended to intimidate, they're intended to find the truth, and that's scary for many religious believers. I know, I was once one myself (because I was indoctrinated in it as a child), and I would never question things that didn't make sense because it scared me, and others who did were intimidating, but only because of my own fear, of hell, of there not being a heaven, of dealing with the social consequences of not believing etc. etc., not because of the person themselves.

Believers, especially who subscribe to specific religions, will find their beliefs challenged on DU because it's a discussion forum and those beliefs often contradict liberal ideals. You may find it intimidating, but it's just discussion.

I have no problem with "believers" in general, but many believers subscribe to specific religions that lay out their belief system quite clearly, and those beliefs are in direct contradiction to liberal values many on here hold. I have no problem pointing out this contradiction and the cognitive dissonance it requires.

Non-believers usually don't think humans have all the answers.... so I'm not sure what "elitism" you are talking about. Religious belief, on the other hand, claims to have all the answers, even objective truths. True faith requires no humility. Believing in objective truths based on no evidence is arrogant.

Thank you. CurtEastPoint Mar 2013 #1
Thank you for your testimony! hedgehog Mar 2013 #2
Indeed, Will RobertEarl Mar 2013 #3
Oh my gosh, tears and more tears.... Melinda Mar 2013 #4
Thank you for your beautiful tribute. We had our dear Father Harry. corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #5
And one more thing about Matt Ashe... Raven Mar 2013 #6
^^^ My mom ^^^ WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #7
I wonder if it would mean anything to you to understand that many of us DO know such people Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #8
Did you see my reply in that other thread? WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #10
But when calling out a bigot, I should think of Matt and do what? Be nicer to the bigot? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #14
No. WilliamPitt Mar 2013 #15
And gee Will, I did not claim you told me how to think or feel. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #26
That is NOT what motivates the hatred of people here pnwmom Mar 2013 #12
Does that faith teach anything about how one is to bear witness? I think it does. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #16
I said that "some" of the comments were like that. pnwmom Mar 2013 #20
"Prove you're not a pedophile supporter - Leave your church NOW!" jsr Mar 2013 #28
Ah, so the fact that other institutions have the same problem mitigates it somehow? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #29
Prove you don't support torture and murder: renounce your US citizenship now. You're HiPointDem Mar 2013 #45
Perfect analogy. I hardly ever agree with you. And I am not Catholic. DevonRex Mar 2013 #47
we could say the same thing to protestants, as it's protestant churches & american missionaries HiPointDem Mar 2013 #48
Yes, it is. Fundy missionaries. DevonRex Mar 2013 #54
That is a stupid analogy, renounce U.S. citizenship and become stateless... Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #57
There obviously is no way to satisfy you, so why bother? pnwmom Mar 2013 #60
thank you BuddhaGirl Mar 2013 #9
And I knew a few sisters I'd put in the same category. pnwmom Mar 2013 #11
I'd recommend Father Peter Daly's column of the National Catholic Reporter to anyone who claims... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #13
"How can followers of Jesus be so cruel?" MNBrewer Mar 2013 #17
we can ask the same question of nearly every organized human body on earth. for example HiPointDem Mar 2013 #49
A real Christian. At least in my interpretation of the term. kwassa Mar 2013 #35
Indeed. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #64
Yikes. You had Geohgan as a CCD teacher. cali Mar 2013 #18
Beautiful mcar Mar 2013 #19
I went to a Jesuit college. GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #21
Thanks Will. redwitch Mar 2013 #22
Father Matt Ashe sounds like another wonderful person who happens to mulsh Mar 2013 #23
Thank You mgardener Mar 2013 #24
The issue is... MellowDem Mar 2013 #25
So you are dismissing the relevance of faith and goodness? i have faith ergo corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #33
"Goodness" has nothing to do with faith... MellowDem Mar 2013 #36
I totally reject your hypothesis corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #37
The very definition of faith... MellowDem Mar 2013 #39
Thank you. Your skepticism has made me more grateful for the gift of faith. Per Augustine, our corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #40
Skepticism of religion... MellowDem Mar 2013 #41
Personally, I am not intimidated. If corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #42
and yet -- religious people have been in the forefront of reform movements all down through HiPointDem Mar 2013 #51
The same book from which some interpret liberation theology.... MellowDem Mar 2013 #62
all of which is beside the point i made. the same texts which have been used to repress have HiPointDem Mar 2013 #63
how has your faith been tested and shored up by reason? RainDog Mar 2013 #43
If one is of the opinion that faith corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #55
I think they co-exist all the time RainDog Mar 2013 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author corneliamcgillicutty Mar 2013 #56
Faith and reason are polar opposites alarimer Mar 2013 #53
Yes, every bad organization has some good individuals. My argument is not with those.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Whisp Mar 2013 #30
I was practically raised by Jesuits mrs_p Mar 2013 #31
Great Story. Thank you. NaturalHigh Mar 2013 #32
Mr. Pitt, jerseyjack Mar 2013 #34
I hope the hosts don't swoop in Union Scribe Mar 2013 #38
It's turning into a Catholic bash, so they'll probably let it stand. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #44
Thank you for sharing this, Will Pitt. Octafish Mar 2013 #46
I've known some very good priests and nuns along the way. ananda Mar 2013 #50
Proves nothing about the evilness of the institution as a whole. alarimer Mar 2013 #52
As a non-Catholic, I applaud this OP. It's what liberalism is about: Open Mindedness David Zephyr Mar 2013 #59
I'm sure there are good Mormon clergy too, doesn't mean the Church or organization aren't fucked up. Humanist_Activist Mar 2013 #61
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