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ProSense

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Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:13 PM Mar 2013

WaPo Fact Checker Gives Obama 4 Pinocchios For Janitor Claim (pay cuts) [View all]

WaPo Fact Checker Gives Obama 4 Pinocchios For Janitor Claim

In his remarks highlighting draconian budget cuts known as sequestration at the White House on Friday, President Barack Obama claimed that even janitors working on Capitol Hill would receive a pay cut.

“Starting tomorrow everybody here, all the folks who are cleaning the floors at the Capitol," Obama said at a press conference. "Now that Congress has left, somebody’s going to be vacuuming and cleaning those floors and throwing out the garbage. They’re going to have less pay. The janitors, the security guards, they just got a pay cut, and they’ve got to figure out how to manage that. That’s real.”

Glenn Kessler, who fact checks for the Washington Post, obtained a memo from the Architect of the Capitol, who manages janitorial staff, debunking the claim.

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Secretary of Education Arne Duncan also got into hot water for embellishing harmful effects of sequestration this week, when he claimed the cuts already cost teachers jobs.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/wapo-fact-checker-gives-obama-4-pinocchios-for

Evidently, the fact checking orgs have decided it's a lie to claim sequester will hurt public employees. From the WaPo fact check:

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A White House official noted at first that the memo does refer to “further reducing overtime.” Technically, that could mean some janitors might see less pay, but it’s unclear how many actually earn overtime. Under the reasonable person test, a possible reduction in overtime appears a bit different from “just got a pay cut.”

The White House thought our position was unreasonable. “Folks who are getting paid hourly aren’t breaking up their paycheck to say, well, technically this portion of my paycheck came from my overtime pay, so I’m not going to actually count that towards my income,” an official said. “They rely on that overtime and they pay their bills with that income. So, we disagree with this ‘reasonable person test.’”

Then, another White House official asserted that the janitors--both part-time and full-time--are contracted out by the Architect of the Capitol. “Since the AOC said that the contracts would be reduced or eliminated, it’s hard to convincingly make the case those contract workers won’t be affected,” he claimed.

In other words, White House officials assumed there was an impact but they were not exactly sure themselves. We will also note that the president said the pay cut was happening “tomorrow.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sequester-spin-obamas-incorrect-claim-of-capitol-janitors-receiving-a-pay-cut/2013/03/01/3407535c-82a9-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html

Kessler: Losing overtime pay isn't "technically" a pay cut, contract workers don't count and if furloughs are deemed necessary in the coming weeks, so what? Republicans are running around claiming all sorts of dire consequences in their strategy to blame the President.

Does the WaPo fact checker have an agenda? Here's a WaPo fact check from February 26:

Can you trust what any politician says about the impact of the sequester? Let’s just say all facts and figures should be viewed with skepticism.

The sequester is a remarkably blunt instrument, slashing many programs with equal vigor. Another issue is that the federal fiscal year, which ends Oct. 1, has just seven months left, so these reductions must be squeezed into a shorter time frame. That heightens the pain to federal agencies, especially because some of the biggest parts of the budget (such as Social Security) have been walled off from any cuts.

There is also a ramp-up effect. On March 1, when the sequester goes into effect, the cuts are not immediate; they will build up over time, so the effects may be difficult to discern at first.

These cuts also would come after the federal budget has grown dramatically in recent years. In some ways, the reductions would undo budget increases that President Obama engineered as part of the stimulus law. But even so, this round of reductions would still leave many programs at spending levels near or above what they were when Obama took office. Whether that is a good or bad thing is in the eye of the beholder.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/spin-and-counterspin-in-the-sequester-debate/2013/02/25/e709db58-7fa4-11e2-b99e-6baf4ebe42df_blog.html


What utter bullshit. In that piece, Kessler admits the sequester time frame "heightens the pain to federal agencies," but only because Social Security isn't in the mix. Social Security has nothing to do with deficit reduction. It's clear that Kessler decided to use his fact check to shill for Republicans. I mean, where the hell did he get that bizarre claim about the stimulus? He needs to get his facts straight.

For the record, last year, over President Obama's first four years, the deficit shrunk by about $300 billion. This year, the deficit is projected to be about $600 billion smaller than when the president took office. We are, in reality, currently seeing the fastest deficit reduction in several generations.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/02/22/17056939-a-well-kept-fiscal-secret


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k&r... spanone Mar 2013 #1
So, what, President Obama is lying?! Zax2me Mar 2013 #2
Fuck the Washington post. They were not one of the papers who distinguished themselves when still_one Mar 2013 #3
not fact checking Enrique Mar 2013 #4
Once your fact checking has been shown wrong, you're no longer credible Tempest Mar 2013 #5
really? CatWoman Mar 2013 #18
I'll tell you what's bullshit. 99Forever Mar 2013 #6
+1 NCTraveler Mar 2013 #9
Here's the problem: ProSense Mar 2013 #11
Who signed that bill you are now whining about into law? 99Forever Mar 2013 #12
So ProSense Mar 2013 #13
thanks ProSense.. Cha Mar 2013 #25
WaPo is nothing but propoganda for the right wing nowadays librechik Mar 2013 #7
Fact check the fact checkers. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #8
This isn't the first time Glenn Kessler has pulled this crap. Raine1967 Mar 2013 #10
You should change the thread title to: WaPo Fact-Checker Makes Dishonest Claims.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #14
I winced when I heard him make that argument. bluedigger Mar 2013 #15
Really? ProSense Mar 2013 #16
No, but it gave Kessler the opening he needed. bluedigger Mar 2013 #17
What garbage ProSense Mar 2013 #19
Calm down and discuss it like a rational human being and I will. bluedigger Mar 2013 #20
Ah, ProSense Mar 2013 #21
Your passion and lack of objectivity in defense of the President are common knowledge here at DU. bluedigger Mar 2013 #23
Wait ProSense Mar 2013 #26
And, all you have are personal attacks dripping with Cha Mar 2013 #30
Hmmm. Can't put lipstick on a pig and call it a beauty queen.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #28
apparantly the janitors aren't going to see less pay dsc Mar 2013 #22
You see it right there in the OP ProSense Mar 2013 #24
I am referring to the Elias email dsc Mar 2013 #27
Why are you assuming the email isn't a lie and not CYA? n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #29
It would be a pretty stupid lie dsc Mar 2013 #32
Ah, ProSense Mar 2013 #31
the email says who he is dsc Mar 2013 #33
The e-mail ProSense Mar 2013 #34
It is clearly responding to the President's statement dsc Mar 2013 #35
Are you really ProSense Mar 2013 #36
I am no fan of Kessler dsc Mar 2013 #37
Again ProSense Mar 2013 #38
It has everything to do with the claim dsc Mar 2013 #39
You're back to ProSense Mar 2013 #40
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