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leveymg

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56. If you don't believe me, read what Undersecretary of State Kennedy had to say about
Mon Feb 25, 2013, 02:45 AM
Feb 2013

how the US Intelligence Community uses double-agents, and sometimes issues them visas and lets known terrorists onto commercial airliners.

In an extraordinary display of candor following the attempt by the "Underwear Bomber" to set off binary explosives over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009, the State Dept. acknowledged that the CIA let Abdulmutallab onto the plane knowing he was involved in a terrorist cell.

In response to Senate questions, on January 27, 2010, an official from the U.S. State Department stated that Abdulmutallab's visa was not revoked because federal authorities believed that it would have compromised a larger investigation. The official, Patrick F. Kennedy, Undersecretary of State for Management, said intelligence officials had told the State Department that letting Abdulmutallab keep his visa would allow for a greater chance of exposing the terrorist network. Here is the relevant section of Kennedy's statement before the Senate Judiciary Committee on January 20, 2010. It explains why the State Dept. did not revoke his visa, even though he was on several terrorist watch lists: http://travel.state.gov/law/legal/testimony/testimony_5433.html

We recognize the gravity of the threat we face and are working intensely with our colleagues from other agencies to ensure that when the U.S. Government obtains information that a person may pose a threat to our security, that person does not hold a visa.

We will use (visa) revocation authority prior to interagency consultation in circumstances where we believe there is an immediate threat. Revocation is an important tool in our border security arsenal. At the same time, expeditious coordination with our national security partners is not to be underestimated. There have been numerous cases where our unilateral and uncoordinated revocation would have disrupted important investigations that were underway by one of our national security partners. They had the individual under investigation and our revocation action would have disclosed the U.S. Government’s interest in the individual and ended our colleagues’ ability to quietly pursue the case and identify terrorists’ plans and co-conspirators.


This was just one of several AQ terrorists that Anwar al-Alwaki was a point of contact with.

BTW: I never said about al-Alwaki, "Terrorist/CIA agent fails to provide information to prevent "underwear bomber" from entering U.S. airspace so he's targeted for killing." That's your misinterpretation. I said he did provide information or indicators that led to a number of actual and intending AQ terrorists, including the risky but ultimately successful operation against the Underwear Bomber. What is not entirely clear is to what degree his role in identifying these subjects was witting -- although circumstantial evidence appears to indicate to some degree he was a cooperating with the US at some point -- the decision by CIA to target him was made despite his apparent usefulness.
This still doesn't address the issue of extrajudicial execution of US Citz abroad. "A whole bunch of leveymg Feb 2013 #1
No, ProSense Feb 2013 #3
Yes, Al-Awlaki's American son was targeted and killed by a drone-launched missile. He was 16. leveymg Feb 2013 #47
He was not ProSense Feb 2013 #48
Initially, they falsely claimed and attempted to justify this saying he was a 21 years old militant. leveymg Feb 2013 #49
I don't know ProSense Feb 2013 #50
There's a great deal you don't know about al-Awlaki, leveymg Feb 2013 #51
So he ProSense Feb 2013 #52
The technical term for it leveymg Feb 2013 #53
That's some ProSense Feb 2013 #55
If you don't believe me, read what Undersecretary of State Kennedy had to say about leveymg Feb 2013 #56
Words whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #2
Let's see, ProSense Feb 2013 #5
Words are cheap whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #6
Evidently, ProSense Feb 2013 #7
"The rules outside the US are different from the rules in the US" treestar Feb 2013 #4
you spotted the ambiguity bigtree Feb 2013 #12
I actually don't think I'd have a different opinion during a Republican administration treestar Feb 2013 #15
with 'war' it should be all about intent and motive bigtree Feb 2013 #16
The drones don't make a difference to those issues treestar Feb 2013 #17
why does al-Qaeda 'exist?' bigtree Feb 2013 #19
Why do you think it does? n/t ProSense Feb 2013 #20
edited above bigtree Feb 2013 #22
You stated: ProSense Feb 2013 #23
I'll say this bigtree Feb 2013 #27
Here's a good ProSense Feb 2013 #29
Interesting question treestar Feb 2013 #21
Look at the headine of this OP. woo me with science Feb 2013 #8
Thanks for the link ProSense Feb 2013 #9
It's not exactly a neutral headline treestar Feb 2013 #18
I heard that back in ancient America, there was something called the Judiciary MannyGoldstein Feb 2013 #10
+1 I heard about something called the Magna Carta, too. woo me with science Feb 2013 #11
Here: ProSense Feb 2013 #13
Fine, Mr. Prez. Hold an open jury trial, in absentia (if the target refuses to appear), Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #14
Two points--1) A non-custodial enemy combatant has no right to an Article III court, and 2) msanthrope Feb 2013 #37
The whole argument presupposes that extra-judical killing of civilians Paul E Ester Feb 2013 #24
No ProSense Feb 2013 #26
the center for constitutional rights Paul E Ester Feb 2013 #28
You're conflation ProSense Feb 2013 #30
Targeting a Criminal...without Due Process... Where was that? KoKo Feb 2013 #31
Here, ProSense Feb 2013 #32
As I said in my post above..."They are just getting around to it"... KoKo Feb 2013 #38
ProSense, 2/25/13 - "Targeting a criminal (for death) has nothing to do with "death squads" Bonobo Feb 2013 #33
I can only imagine prosense is trollin, it jumped out at me too...nt Paul E Ester Feb 2013 #34
You have 31 posts and have the nerve to accuse someone of "trollin"? ProSense Feb 2013 #39
Go ahead ProSense Feb 2013 #36
It's just that you "pick out items" and that you leave off the relevant KoKo Feb 2013 #40
Clearly, ProSense Feb 2013 #41
I found both "Big Tree" and "Treestar's" posts on your other OP KoKo Feb 2013 #43
LOL! ProSense Feb 2013 #44
This "Other Post" that you recommended from the "Other Post" KoKo Feb 2013 #45
"Big Tree" & "Tree Star"... KoKo Feb 2013 #46
The folksy ah-shucks way Obama expresses himself in this chilling discussion is... chilling MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #25
overuse of the word "stuff" comes to mind...like it's the kind of thing KoKo Feb 2013 #42
And the legal protections are? Vattel Feb 2013 #35
says its gonna be different; doesn't say how. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #54
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