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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]backscatter712
(26,355 posts)304. Ridiculous charge.
Crude? Yes. Misogynistic? Yes. Were the minors involved in any physical or psychological danger? NO. Judging by my appraisal of the mentality of most horny teenage guys, they were probably enjoying themselves.
Should the mother be prosecuted for committing a crime? NO.
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None in the US should be exposed to Sex or Nudity until over THIRTY (at least)!!!
RKP5637
Feb 2013
#57
And then only in the context of marriage, or enhanced interrogation,
kenny blankenship
Feb 2013
#126
Do you know any 16 yr olds that haven't figured out how to get better off the internet for free?
Major Nikon
Feb 2013
#216
13% of teens have had sex by age 15. young people have sex for the first time at about age 17,
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#321
my child goes to an adults house and served booze (cause the parent wants to be cool)
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#10
It depends on what the law actually says. We do have laws around statutory rape in some places
el_bryanto
Feb 2013
#24
and i was raised in calif, on a swim team and we were in essence naked all the time.
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#59
you compare it to teenage years playing on the beach, to drawing nudes, to merely seeing boobies...
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#63
you say all kinds of shit thru out the thread and then pretend you didnt. ya. a bore. nt
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#70
"first one to claim all men are evil pigs". "consistently conflated and twisted my words"
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#78
Why are you avoiding the very clear statement I have made regarding the CRIME?
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#83
so i use your words. you make stuff up. and you call me out. what a fuckin' hoot. nt
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#113
First, this wasn't just nudity as you seem to admit with your next accusation against Sea...
DevonRex
Feb 2013
#349
Oh, now bathing suits make one "essentially naked"? Well, it is the QUALIFIER that counts here.
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#77
if you saw the speedos of the 70' and 80's, when wet, or hell, even dry, pretty much.
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#82
I had to borrow a Speedo to go to the pool in 8th grade and the guy who loaned it to me...
Gorp
Feb 2013
#301
There was at least one 13 year old at this party. The arrest took place in that context.
pnwmom
Feb 2013
#351
like not all men want to go to strip bars, not all boys want to have a stripper rub her crotch in
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#32
Sex crimes against minors do not involve an element of consent, generally, so the issue of 'force'
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#130
Didn't they used to call that 'contributing to the delinquincy of a minor'?
Gidney N Cloyd
Feb 2013
#15
I heard some pundit guffawing that he could not believe that ANY 16 year old American boy
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#5
Dressing in drag and being gay are not the same things. It is not the case that outgoing gay
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#154
Wow. What you are doing is defining your cross dressing friend as having a gay 'lifestyle' while
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#239
WTF has happened to you all of a sudden? You are behaving as if you have had some sort of major
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#368
16 year olds cant see a stripper but they CAN get pregnant and decide wether or no to have an
leftyohiolib
Feb 2013
#23
If you don't want your daughter seeing strippers then this OP is bullshit deluxe
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#27
Who invented "18?" Atman, I've had criminal clients ask me the same question.
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#58
Yes. It is the law. It is what matters. People who don't get that simple concept tend to be my
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#73
Oh, I read all your posts--including #60, where you note that no minor was 'forced'--as if that's an
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#88
Really? 16 year olds go off to war in this country? And I thought you liked lawsuits?
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#199
If you find my memory inconvenient, perhaps you should refrain from posting to me. nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#227
I have a memory palace. DU has a room. Your Mother's Day thread was one for the ages.
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#247
right. it is a deragatory and demeaning comment made toward the stripper to show the disrespect
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#105
once again, who is making stuff up? did i say that? no. and you did not address
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#119
not all men choose to live in this hypocrisy, but the men that do insist all men feel as they do.
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#158
Yep-just marriage to 'females' at around 13 or so. I assume they'll be celibate...for some reason.
jmg257
Feb 2013
#144
How in the world did you read into this that I was for it? I'm pointing out the inconsistency in
RKP5637
Feb 2013
#142
Yep, it could be confusing as written. I'll leave it as is for now. Thanks for getting back to me!
RKP5637
Feb 2013
#151
DO you think a man who has sex with a girl of 15 should be charged with statutory rape?
jmg257
Feb 2013
#117
Please self-delete this post and delete the derogatory, sexist term that you used.
yardwork
Feb 2013
#159
wrong. the hunks junk is not ok because boys and girls are different. not ok for the girl and the
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#189
What does 18 have to do with anything I said? Nothing. Why not speak to what I really said?
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#217
Those moral and ethical difference are merely observers holding two equals do unequal standards
LanternWaste
Feb 2013
#180
So we've established that your preferred age for defacto adulthood among men is 16.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2013
#254
I think it's endangering the welfare of a child to expose them to sexually explicit material.
Nine
Feb 2013
#22
the OP thinks casual nudity is the same as a sexually charged performance intended to excite.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#33
You claim a lap dance is the same as 'seeing boobies' and keep insisting ALL boys would dig that.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#41
You post said this is all about 'seeing boobies'. Yet the photos from the story show lap dances.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#55
If it's a crime to take your son to a strip club for his 16th birthday and buy him a lap dance
gollygee
Feb 2013
#42
Paying a sex worker to touch your minor child is a crime. What are you not getting?
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#46
Was the nude model paid for by your parents, did she touch you, and did others watch and take
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#49
I've never seen a figure drawing class that allowed physical contact or leering at the models.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#124
maybe even talked about her "skanky snatch" since it is a known stripper term. nt
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#128
I was upset at about 11 or less that there were no such things (to my knowledge) as
RKP5637
Feb 2013
#61
As a criminal defense attorney, I have to disagree....the issue is not rearing a child as
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#190
I agree that the best solution all around may be a civil case....but here's the problem...
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#221
Does the right to raise a child as a parent sees fit extend to... say... buying them alcohol? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2013
#271
How is a nude man rubbing his crotch against a 16 year old woman-child..."endangerment"? HMMMMM??
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#68
Yes, a stranger's naked genitals up close is a dream come true. Post a pic of yours!
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#84
Really? And would said boy like it if his friends and MOM observed his 16-yr-old boy reaction?
WinkyDink
Feb 2013
#89
because that is really not even close to saying the same thing. i too, can roll my eyes.
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#109
'Every boy would want this' is a sexist, and perhaps homophobic assumption.
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#102
exactly. further, they are not allowed to express it because men like on this thread
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#111
most all men in my life, but a drunk brother, would have been "outraged". but then,
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#263
Do you not understand that procuring sex workers for your minor child is a crime? nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#97
Well, this is a democracy. You can file a suit, or you can elect legislators, or heck, you can even
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#122
What kid wouldn't enjoy playing X-box every day instead of going to school?
LanternWaste
Feb 2013
#214
I don't know how they were endangered and it seems like no one else does either
TheKentuckian
Feb 2013
#91
Excuse--I know precisely why they were endangered, and I have stated it quite a few times.
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#96
13% of teens have had sex by age 15. young people have sex for the first time at about age 17,
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#135
i am pointing out where what you experience is not everyones experience. you do not like that.
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#152
"So a 16 year old, already likely sexually active," YOU said this. YOU are wrong. every stat
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#167
No--I'm reciting the elements of the crime. Do you dispute any of those elements? nt
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#141
Really? You can touch minors below the age of consent in NYS as long as you are wearing panties and
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#211
Really? One minor was bit on the nipple and scratched. You have that happen in from of many 13
msanthrope
Feb 2013
#328
Would you support prosecution if your daughter had been one of the kids at this party?
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2013
#264
I can understand a nude woman at a supervised art/photo class involving figure studies...
edbermac
Feb 2013
#140
SOCIETY is harmed by this. It's exploitative of the dancer. It's age-inappropriate
Romulox
Feb 2013
#164
having two sons this age, ya, i get it. and not seeing a lot of difference what they are going
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#267
No problem, seabeyond. I think it's a lot harder to be a kid today then when I was a boy. nt
Romulox
Feb 2013
#347
so true. and it makes it no easier for a parent fighting against this garbage being fed
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#348
Intimate dances by a stripper for 5 minors under the age of 17 = Child endangerment nt
Poll_Blind
Feb 2013
#160
I read that they are considering charges against the strippers and the company.
FedUpWithIt All
Feb 2013
#298
both the Mom and stripper no doubt, broke the law. i bet there will be charges brought.
bettyellen
Feb 2013
#300
Well - HER son might not of minded. The other 13/14/15 yr olds and their folks might have.
jmg257
Feb 2013
#224
In reality, he probably wasn't in any danger, but its still justifiably a crime.
phleshdef
Feb 2013
#237
Maybe it wasn't the nudity (it wasn't). Maybe it was the sexual contact with various juveniles?
jmg257
Feb 2013
#245
I also want you to be aware there are three different threads in META about you post right now.
hrmjustin
Feb 2013
#299
A teen CHOOSING to sneak into a strip club for a "peek" is quite different
FedUpWithIt All
Feb 2013
#290
A 14 yr old girl may "love" having sex with her 27 (or 35 or 42) yr old boyfriend
FedUpWithIt All
Feb 2013
#318
"the kids in the room intensely uncomfortable," what fuckin' right does an adult have to put a
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#331
because one is a boy and one is a girl. and they are sexually SOOO much different.
seabeyond
Feb 2013
#340
Except, as has been pointed out countless times, not all the kids were 16
FedUpWithIt All
Feb 2013
#358
And your daughter, going to a party where she is subjected to her peers recieving lap dances?
FedUpWithIt All
Feb 2013
#363
Persistent dumb ass at that..."16 year old young man saw a stripper". More then that though, right?
jmg257
Feb 2013
#325
There was no nudity, yet you claim it is all about nudity. A crime is what the law says is a crime.
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2013
#334
What your post illustrates is that you don't know what happened. It is not what they SAW.
DevonRex
Feb 2013
#357
I went on an optional Saturday "cultural" field trip to SF's North Beach in the late 60s
PufPuf23
Feb 2013
#355
If the stripper was displaying her body in a sexually stimulative way
aint_no_life_nowhere
Feb 2013
#364