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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
24. Got a link for that $19K number? I see it starting at $28,800
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 03:53 PM
Feb 2013

You can only get to 18,800 if you include all the possible tax incentives and live in California.

*Edit to add, the EV Focus and Volt both qualify for tax credits also, this post is misleading the way it is phrased. The starting price of ~39,000 should be compared to the 28,800 number, not the 18,800.*

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/nissan-leaf-japanese-auto_n_2478185.html

^snip^

The 2013 Leaf will start at $28,800, which is $6,000 lower than the previous model, company executives said Monday at the Detroit auto show. When combined with the federal electric-vehicle tax credit of $7,500 and other state and local tax incentives, the price could fall as low as $18,800 in California. That would make it comparable to gas-powered and hybrid cars of its size like the Toyota Prius. It would also be far lower than the electric Ford Focus or Chevrolet Volt, which both start around $39,000.





I think they had no choice but to drop the price. The EV Focus is (IMO) an nicer vehicle. If Ford ever matches the price of the Leaf on this vehicle then the Leaf will go the way of the Edsel. One of the main problems is that they put the charging port in the center of the front grill. Every other vehicle with a plug that I have looked at (and I have tried to look at them all) have the port on the side. If you pull into your garage and try to plug it in you will need to crawl around in front of the car, between the back wall of your garage and the car. Then to unplug it you need to do the same thing.


I love EVs, honestly.. I Love Them! The Leaf was revolutionary and I need to give Nissan some credit for making that leap. Unfortunately The Leaf needs serious improvements to stay competitive. I think that in the near future we are going to see hybrids like the Volt and the new Fusion Energi and C-Max Energi be more popular. The infrastructure does not exist for pure EVs right now. Unless you want to keep one vehicle for short trips and another for longer ones a pure Electric does not fit into most people's lifestyles as of yet.

The sub-niche of journalism that automobile writing is has always been corrupt. CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #1
We Called It "Vanity" Journalism... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #7
Oh! That makes sense! I didn't understand why this guy made the Model S sound like gateley Feb 2013 #9
Broder SHOULD lose his job, but probably won't tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #2
+1 Scuba Feb 2013 #3
Remember how nutjobs went after NBC for "staging" an accident? zbdent Feb 2013 #5
And the Judith Miller Award goes to... David Broder! KamaAina Feb 2013 #15
this is John Broder, David Broder died a couple years ago JI7 Feb 2013 #35
I think he will now... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #16
yep. he has ZERO credibility.. frylock Feb 2013 #21
I read that Broder has ties to the oil and gas industry. Is this correct? yardwork Feb 2013 #4
ooooooh! good catch! frylock Feb 2013 #22
I wouldn't be surprised. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #31
Broder was ignorant to not realize everything was tracked. godai Feb 2013 #6
If I could put the EV charger in the condo nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #12
Tesla should sue. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #8
Considering all the hard data the car collected that directly contradicted Broder's claims, backscatter712 Feb 2013 #10
Exactly--this isn't a case of journalistic interpretation, or differing viewpoints msanthrope Feb 2013 #11
And they should do just that Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #14
It still seems limiting FarCenter Feb 2013 #13
We're used to the limitations of gas powered cars. backscatter712 Feb 2013 #17
Buyers need to take expected usage into mind IDemo Feb 2013 #18
:shock: :horror: LIMITS!!!!! Holy God, LIMITS!!!! Schema Thing Feb 2013 #19
Yes, however...enjoy paying $5 a gallon for gas. godai Feb 2013 #20
I'm not sure why a plug-in hybrid isn't superior to an all-electric FarCenter Feb 2013 #23
Fine, but hybrids retain all the ICE issues. godai Feb 2013 #25
Cost, weight, complexity jeff47 Feb 2013 #32
Yes, I'd think that having the ICE only run the generator would be the way to go FarCenter Feb 2013 #38
Drive them for what they are meant nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #36
Got a link for that $19K number? I see it starting at $28,800 Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #24
That's of course, with the tax credits. Can't expect a Leaf for $12k after tax credits! n/t godai Feb 2013 #26
About the Leaf plug... godai Feb 2013 #27
I just wonder why they did that. All other plugs are on the side. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #29
I think the reverse - I wonder why they all didn't do that dmallind Feb 2013 #33
I think you are just used to the plug being where it is. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #39
Despite selling 50k Leafs worldwide, Nissan CEO scales back sales expecations FarCenter Feb 2013 #28
The Leaf didn't really have any competition for a while there. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #30
The average daily commute is well within the Leaf's worst case range. dmallind Feb 2013 #34
I agree it is fine for everyday needs Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #37
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