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Hassin Bin Sober

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64. The hospital had no duty to perform an illegal request.
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 10:38 PM
Feb 2013

Courts don't enforce duties that are at odds with public policy/law.

The court would tell him to go scratch.

I just can't wrap my brain around this type of ignorance. Marrah_G Feb 2013 #1
I know, why sue? She should be happy she had less work to do.... The Straight Story Feb 2013 #2
You almost had me there for a moment Marrah_G Feb 2013 #4
What a Nut! goclark Feb 2013 #3
Yes and/but elleng Feb 2013 #6
How true. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #27
Absolutely, elleng Feb 2013 #29
To quote my favorite line from the old TV series "ER"..... llmart Feb 2013 #151
SO the Hospital Abides??!! lunasun Feb 2013 #103
The hospital will lose this one, as well it should. elleng Feb 2013 #5
As sick and vile the request by the parent was... FarPoint Feb 2013 #11
Because it is illegal to discrimate re: race obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #14
Such similar requests happen every day in a medical-clinical setting. FarPoint Feb 2013 #19
Assuming the hospital benefits from Federal funds, elleng Feb 2013 #31
"trust relationship" Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #33
The hospital should've requested the man transfer his infant to another hospital. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #38
Ah but if they do that... Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #45
But the Nazi has no basis in law to sue. Protest, yes. Nothing can be done about that. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #48
Many said that the KKK didn't have a case either. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #57
That's a freedom of expression case. There is a basis in law for it. There is none for requesting... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #65
that's not the KKK...the KKK is a designated terrorist group in the US. Those are Nazis...I know,.. uponit7771 Feb 2013 #87
I think you responded to the wrong post. I didn't mention the KKK. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #101
Shot themselves in the foot when they named names. TheMadMonk Feb 2013 #162
I would have to believe safety was part of the reason Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #80
That's not a legal defense. If someone is concerned about safety, they are supposed to call the law. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #102
I agree it wasn't the proper choice Arcanetrance Feb 2013 #104
Doubt it. elleng Feb 2013 #43
They knew they were between a rock and a hard place. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #60
Putting emotions aside And how LukeFL Feb 2013 #92
The difference is that there is a federal law prohibiting discrimination on race. He could've asked Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #36
However, it is the patient/ parent of the child, not the hospital that had a problem. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #44
It's a dilemma. Seems they didn't give that reason (safety), and they didn't transfer the baby Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #46
I can say that the hospital will find precedent for doing what they did.. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #50
Hospitals don't find precedent. Courts do. This has been litigated before. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #66
This case will set no precedent. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #63
Yes it will. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #68
um, the father is not the patient magical thyme Feb 2013 #98
The parents speak for the child. FarPoint Feb 2013 #100
Then you may want to contact that hospital's law dept. because they disagree with you magical thyme Feb 2013 #106
This will be an intresting Court case. FarPoint Feb 2013 #107
Agreed. magical thyme Feb 2013 #110
The patient is a baby that does not know those "beliefs" yet. Jamastiene Feb 2013 #113
On the contrary... FarPoint Feb 2013 #115
It is a hospital serving the public, and has to abide by the laws of the land. still_one Feb 2013 #156
If the request was made without inferring the reason was due to race or ethnicity, it would not be still_one Feb 2013 #155
NO NO NO...A truly good hospital would have... SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #157
while the hospital sabbat hunter Feb 2013 #51
Let him flip out FrodosPet Feb 2013 #90
That's not how it works, unfortunately Scootaloo Feb 2013 #77
Please cite the law that states patients have the absolute right to choose the ethnicity/religion Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #128
Hmmm, may just be nursing homes. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #130
My father was a doctor for 35 years Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #131
obamanut said it: elleng Feb 2013 #15
Because the hospital hired the nurse based on training and skill malaise Feb 2013 #16
It's tough. They had to reassign temporarily, and ask the man to move his infant to another hosp. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #39
you need far more help than can be provided here Skittles Feb 2013 #147
Excuse me??????????? FarPoint Feb 2013 #149
oh, LOLOL! Skittles Feb 2013 #150
Because it was based on race, and that violates the civil rights act still_one Feb 2013 #154
Un... I think for the safety of the nurse, the hospital did right. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #21
By that same logic, an unarmed Nazi can walk into a bank Jamastiene Feb 2013 #114
That is not the same and you know it. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #116
Not the same? You just compared this to a Nazi group's right to have a parade CreekDog Feb 2013 #118
I am on the money. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #122
should have told the father to take his business elsewhere. robinlynne Feb 2013 #53
The father should have thought of this BEFORE, elleng Feb 2013 #55
I hope she sues the father also newfie11 Feb 2013 #7
He didn't break the law. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #40
They should have told him to get out and take his nazi baby with him. xilify Feb 2013 #8
That simple n/t malaise Feb 2013 #17
Yep, except keep the Nazi baby wickerwoman Feb 2013 #18
And then the NAZI family wins a big payout for negligence Confusious Feb 2013 #34
The hospital had no duty to perform an illegal request. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #64
It was not an illegal request and the hospital has a legal duty to treat pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #73
The request itself wasn't illegal. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Confusious Feb 2013 #76
There's no such thing as a Nazi baby! PaddyIrishman Feb 2013 #93
Poor baby. postulater Feb 2013 #9
Amen leftynyc Feb 2013 #59
Amen +1 aptal Feb 2013 #99
+1000 Da*n Right! southern_belle Feb 2013 #127
+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #81
Truth. That poor baby's last link to loving kindness will be the nurse 'dad' hated. nt Nay Feb 2013 #83
The request of the parent is indeed FarPoint Feb 2013 #10
Hell, wickerwoman Feb 2013 #20
I imagine nurses and such medical professionals FarPoint Feb 2013 #22
Well, she was reassigned. She wasn't terminated. Unless she chose to move on. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #41
As a male in the medical field... Skeletor Feb 2013 #97
If true, the nurse will win this hands down obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #12
I'm not sure this is a slam-dunk case.... FarPoint Feb 2013 #25
Add to it... Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #30
There better have been some demonstrable overt threats - such threats ... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #67
I take it you never been around this type of people. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #69
Maybe hospitals in Michigan and Idaho should.... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #70
Unnn, nah...they can't use that for racist reasons...get the racist out not the employee uponit7771 Feb 2013 #84
You are correct, patient rights has a LOT of weight pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #32
Yeap....this is an ethical/public opinion win for the nurse FarPoint Feb 2013 #42
but I dont think that particular belief system counts as a belief system. It breaks the law. robinlynne Feb 2013 #54
right, and the law is well established on discrimination uponit7771 Feb 2013 #85
If the hospital felt the Father posed a threat to the Nurse's safety, she should have been informed… Journeyman Feb 2013 #13
If she decided to keep taking care of the child... Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #23
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2013 #86
That poor child. Born to such a family. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #24
The father may be a white supremist riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #26
I'm torn here.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #28
Seems to me the hospital was inbetween a rock and hard place. Confusious Feb 2013 #35
"The hospital more than likely rather have an angry nurse than a severely hurt or dead one." Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #37
That's bullshit...The hospital brass were cowards in this and you know it Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #132
I rather have a live nurce. n/t Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #139
Thats how I feel... Earth_First Feb 2013 #61
What the fuck year is this?....................... mrmpa Feb 2013 #47
I........what?? WTF Skittles Feb 2013 #49
He should have been given an immediate vasectomey. smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #82
holy shit. she should sue. robinlynne Feb 2013 #52
What happens if its the opposite...the nurse is forced to care for the nazi parents child dkf Feb 2013 #56
What if the nurse, offended by the tattoo, refused to care for the child? nt Skip Intro Feb 2013 #62
Lot's of bad things can happen to the nurse pediatricmedic Feb 2013 #72
is that the only thing you can think of commenting here? CreekDog Feb 2013 #119
What if everybody refused to play your little game? Skip Intro Feb 2013 #120
Presented with racism against a black person CreekDog Feb 2013 #125
What if frogs had wings? Jamastiene Feb 2013 #134
Read. I was replying to a what-if post with another what-if. Skip Intro Feb 2013 #135
because in practice, you take issue with and try to change the subject when racism against blacks... CreekDog Feb 2013 #140
your empty and unfounded accusatory bs just makes me Skip Intro Feb 2013 #141
the other poster noticed it too CreekDog Feb 2013 #142
Oh CD, what would DU do without you going around accusing other DUers Skip Intro Feb 2013 #143
No, it was you that got mocked and criticized in Meta CreekDog Feb 2013 #144
. Skip Intro Feb 2013 #145
I don't see anything earth shattering in those CreekDog Feb 2013 #146
That's called doing one's job... LanternWaste Feb 2013 #148
Is it a requirement that one must provided services to those who dkf Feb 2013 #160
The baby was at the hospital for weeks. Nine Feb 2013 #58
more info here Nine Feb 2013 #71
Amazing the hospital is this ignorant. n/t Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #75
Maybe They Were Afraid He'd Come Back w/a Gun otohara Feb 2013 #94
If that's Hurly Medical Center in Flint Michigan, defacto7 Feb 2013 #78
reported second-hand via the british murdoch rag "daily mail". i have my doubts. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #79
I agree regarding the Daily Mail. However, this is confirmed by local accounts and CNN. Nine Feb 2013 #88
Well, it's not like the OP cited the WSWS, after all. nt msanthrope Feb 2013 #126
To be fair to the hospital......... OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #89
The hospital knows it was wrong. Nine Feb 2013 #91
It obnoxious to think there are people on DU defending Jamastiene Feb 2013 #117
That's how I know I've stayed at DU a little too long... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #129
amen DonCoquixote Feb 2013 #158
Huh? (nt) Nine Feb 2013 #159
The request by the father is repugnant... Bay Boy Feb 2013 #95
What loss did the RN have, you ask? Nine Feb 2013 #96
Ummm...her dignity? Respect? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #123
How about her right to do her job in a workplace free of discrimination and intimidation?? Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #133
This is almost beyond words. Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #137
She was discriminated against and humiliated gollygee Feb 2013 #163
Her loss: she was legally discriminated against obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author Shankapotomus Feb 2013 #105
Poor baby born to a father like that. Let's hope s/he breaks the cycle. nt Doremus Feb 2013 #108
Wish there was a way they could take that baby away from those racist pieces of shit cherish44 Feb 2013 #109
How is this any different roxy1234 Feb 2013 #111
I hope she can get a hefty amount and a job at a better place. Jamastiene Feb 2013 #112
Hospitals are known for throwing nurses under the bus rainbow4321 Feb 2013 #121
My hospital actually has a policy specifically regarding a scenario like this. Butterbean Feb 2013 #124
How is the third sentence below in the same article with the other two? skypilot Feb 2013 #136
They not only should have told Young Adolf to shove it, KamaAina Feb 2013 #138
There were no grounds to call CPS obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #167
Making such an outrageous demand about his child's care KamaAina Feb 2013 #170
Another bad thing about this is that racists have babies and raise new racists. Lint Head Feb 2013 #152
Actually the issue was the hospital following the racist's request. However, should the hospital be still_one Feb 2013 #153
The dad is a neo-Nazi and they DIDN'T call Children's Services? Ken Burch Feb 2013 #161
It isn't illegal to be a Neo Nazi obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #165
The hospital was wrong, but it was a tricky situation sir pball Feb 2013 #164
Message auto-removed Kevski Feb 2013 #168
Care to expand on that thought? Nine Feb 2013 #169
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