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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
48. People's opinions on the internet are not a problem
Fri Feb 15, 2013, 07:35 PM
Feb 2013

My goodness. The entire point about the "rule of law" is the longstanding recognition that mob mentality yields poor results over time.

The "rule of law" stands on its own. It's not like mobs of one sort or another would have done things differently. It's not jeopardized by people sounding off on an internet discussion forum.

If one can't sympathize with the father to any extent, then there is something wrong with one's sympathy bones.

And indeed, we have worked into the "rule of law" a mob rule component because, and I say this with long experience and trust in the law, the law can lead to some absurd results once in a while.

So, we give governors and the president extraordinary power to commute sentences, issue pardons, and in effect exercise complete personal discretion over the outcomes of the rule of law.

And that is an entirely political thing, although in practice most states have formalized procedures around the exercise of that executive power too. But at the end of the day, we do indeed have - built into the "rule of law" - a purely political safety valve that can be based solely on popular opinion.

But I wouldn't fret too much about whether other people's passions about a news story one way or the other constitute any sort of social "problem" of any great magnitude.

It's just a roundabout way of saying, "There is something wrong with people who don't see things my way."

Again, I don't know, but I would guess that a lot of the folks who would like to see mad dad acquitted ALSO completely understand that he's going to be charged with a crime, and is going to deal or take it to trial.

And there again, we use citizen juries in trials, too. Whatever them there people in the box decide is what goes - at least as to factual questions.

The "rule of law" doesn't tell you what the outcomes will be - it only provides a process. Are you saying there are people who do not believe that mad dad will be charged with a crime and given due process?

It's like the Trayvon Martin thing. I don't know what happened that night. The point was that some guy killed someone, and the police didn't charge him with anything, on facts that are, to be generous, pretty debatable. Once Zimmerman was charged and arraigned, and the process started, I was satisfied, and am satisfied, that there is going to be a trial and a verdict, rendered by people who are going to spend a whole lot more time chewing it over than I ever will.

It's not about the results, it's about the process. The process for mad dad is working fine. All of the rest of us are entitled to do whatever we want with our pitchforks and torches. Nobody is burning down the courthouse yet.

Don't panic.
The dark impulses of human psychology are not generally attuned geek tragedy Feb 2013 #1
Which is why we shouldn't allow those impulses to rule us. white_wolf Feb 2013 #8
Certainly, though emotionalist rants on a discussion board geek tragedy Feb 2013 #18
+1 emulatorloo Feb 2013 #51
For me it became a topic for debate when... dogknob Feb 2013 #2
Justice, morality, and the law are all separate concepts. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #3
+1 Go Vols Feb 2013 #57
I have been aghast at these vicious pronouncements Trajan Feb 2013 #4
Gun culture. Everyone who picks up a firearm is preparing to be judge, jury and executioner. Robb Feb 2013 #5
I suppose if someone wants the right to kill, they've got to support it for law enforcement or HereSince1628 Feb 2013 #9
I always thought it was a definining characteristic of the liberal to uphold the rule of law even Squinch Feb 2013 #28
Aww, come on, Robb! When I pick up my .22 to plink cans on my BIL's 40 acres ... 11 Bravo Feb 2013 #62
Point of correction here. Light House Feb 2013 #6
A distinction without a difference. 99Forever Feb 2013 #11
See, you guys can't keep your story straight. And you're willing to smear all law enforcement. DevonRex Feb 2013 #19
Literally not a single thing in your post is honest or accurate. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #26
The fire was an accident. Dorner was already dead, anyway. And the man who killed the drunk... Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #64
You are right. Light House Feb 2013 #66
What ARE the police allowed to do... brooklynite Feb 2013 #7
DU is a reflection of the culture. RevStPatrick Feb 2013 #10
I agree with this the Capitalist culture Harmony Blue Feb 2013 #16
It's sickening Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #17
Huh? The Dorner fire was an accident. The man who killed the drunk-temporary insanity. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #65
It's an epidemic Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #12
Drone strikes are another facet of this. white_wolf Feb 2013 #20
There is a cancer on law enforcement in this nation. 99Forever Feb 2013 #13
Your hatred of police causes your posts on the death of Dorner to be completely irrational. geek tragedy Feb 2013 #27
The problem being there are a lot of police out there giving people reason to hate them Fumesucker Feb 2013 #37
I respect and honor professional law enforcement officers... 99Forever Feb 2013 #50
I predict this post will look stupid once the autopsy and geek tragedy Feb 2013 #53
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #58
I said some similar things to that poster Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #72
It has metastasized far beyond law enforcement. The short-sighted, vengeance seeking advocates Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #60
When they became optional for the Government, Downwinder Feb 2013 #14
Jan 20th, 2009, I think hughee99 Feb 2013 #15
How stupid. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #21
Is it a good assumption that lawyers and judges are not corrupt? FarCenter Feb 2013 #22
At least they can be held somewhat accountable. white_wolf Feb 2013 #24
It's DU, not SaintsU. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #23
The mob rules. The 2-minute hate rules. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #25
When did Texas v. Garner cease to be law? jberryhill Feb 2013 #29
Technically, the poster is correct that the police starting a fire in order geek tragedy Feb 2013 #30
The Dorner issue is that some don't believe the official story given by the police. white_wolf Feb 2013 #31
Under the rule of law there will be an investigation jberryhill Feb 2013 #35
We're Doomed, Doomed I tell you!!!! JoePhilly Feb 2013 #32
The Dorner case is NOT an extrajudicial killing treestar Feb 2013 #33
Did you read the rest of the post? white_wolf Feb 2013 #34
the guy who shot the drunk driver was in the wrong treestar Feb 2013 #36
I'm not familiar with the drunk driver thing jberryhill Feb 2013 #41
The problem is the fact that so many people had no problem with the dad's actions. white_wolf Feb 2013 #47
People's opinions on the internet are not a problem jberryhill Feb 2013 #48
You apparently didn't read those other Dorner threads. randome Feb 2013 #38
Ugh, this OP is not one of those nutters, Rather, they're pointing geek tragedy Feb 2013 #40
Why is that going too far? jberryhill Feb 2013 #42
Intentionally burning someone alive would be extraordinarily geek tragedy Feb 2013 #44
Torch the Witch asked a good question jberryhill Feb 2013 #49
Same principle why flamethrowers aren't to be geek tragedy Feb 2013 #54
That's good, at least jberryhill Feb 2013 #59
Duh, maybe I didn't read carefully enough. randome Feb 2013 #45
Actually, there wasn't anything more than the below: geek tragedy Feb 2013 #46
Happy to recommend this one mokawanis Feb 2013 #39
A lot of people think law enforcement can do no wrong. MindPilot Feb 2013 #43
I personally wonder what these cop cheerleaders would say if........ socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #52
Incidents like that really make me angry. white_wolf Feb 2013 #55
Thoughtful OP, but I have some rebuttals. ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #56
My response: Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #61
Re the man who shot the drunk who killed his kids: NO ONE said that was fine. Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #63
It happened about the same time we were told to forget about torturous war criminals just1voice Feb 2013 #67
K&R woo me with science Feb 2013 #68
It's the dregs of "Comment section" expression. Obscene. DirkGently Feb 2013 #69
When people decided that the good guys can do whatever they like because they're "good" sibelian Feb 2013 #70
Yeah, the drunk driver killing thread was certainly one hell of an eye opener. NT Midwestern Democrat Feb 2013 #71
Yeah. Feeling sorry for the dad and going for a lower sentence I understand white_wolf Feb 2013 #73
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