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Agnosticsherbet

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4. Diplomatically, there is no difference between a drone and a B-52.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:39 AM
Feb 2013

They are U.S. military assets attacking a targets in a foreign country. Use of either could be considered an act of war.

The advantage of the B-52 is that it could be launched from the U.S., hit its target, and return.

The Drone requires a launching site in the area, say the Deck of a Carrier, a base, or an airfield. As I understand it, a drone can loiter around the target area until it finds a suitable target. A drone carries a relatively small payload. A b-52 doesn't loiter, it goes, drops its bombs, and then returns. it carries a heavy payload.

They are very different systems.

The Iraq war, and for most of the Afghan war, Drones were not used. We used carrier based and land based bombers. The Afghan and Iraq wars saw the development of drones as weapons of war.

A Drone is easier because it doesn't endanger the pilot and it is much cheaper than a B-52 to operate.

It is also important to remember that in Yemen we operated drones with the permission of the government. Pakistan has not given formal permission and has complained about their use. Iran captured a drone.

However, a B-52 and a drone would be used for very different missions. Now, in Libya it should be remembered that we used Carrier and Land based bombers in support of the Libyan rebels. The Libyan government considered those attacks acts of war. We were using close air support and bombing military units. Drones just don't have the payload to do that.

I think the mission would be the determining factor on what the President uses. If we are looking for Al Qaida number three's and number 2's using cell phones, a drone makes a lot more sense. If we want stealth, a drone makes sense. If we are giving close air support to rebels, or attacking organized military units, bombers make sense because drones don't pack enough ordnance.

A B-52 has a on-board human crew. It's longest bombing mission was 35 hours. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #1
So a president could send a B-52 to bomb a target in West Africa and Bonobo Feb 2013 #2
Diplomatically, there is no difference between a drone and a B-52. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #4
All true, but respectfully, I feel you are dodging the point I am trying to make. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #6
If the President determines we need to bomb smething... Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #8
Seriously? They're saying there's no difference between a B52 and a drone? Gman Feb 2013 #3
Well their argument is that a drone is "preferable" because it is more "surgical" Bonobo Feb 2013 #5
I pretty much agree with your points Gman Feb 2013 #9
We might see your argument tested soon enough! TomClash Feb 2013 #10
I live in Japan. Bonobo Feb 2013 #11
Are they still together? Fla_Democrat Feb 2013 #7
Hell yes! And touring!! PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #41
Ask Laos and Cambodia jeff47 Feb 2013 #12
But this is not the 60's. Bonobo Feb 2013 #13
What political cost? jeff47 Feb 2013 #14
Let me restate for you. Bonobo Feb 2013 #15
Yes, but he could also "get away with" strikes launched by manned aircraft. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2013 #16
Much less so. Bonobo Feb 2013 #17
And as I keep pointing out, history does not agree with you. jeff47 Feb 2013 #43
Americans love war, so both gwbush and obama will get away with it nt msongs Feb 2013 #18
I think I see your point. The difference is that sooner of later, Pakistan or somebody will shoot Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #19
I seem to remember President Clinton shooting cruise missiles all over the goddamn place alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #20
Yes, true. Also enforcing a no-fly policy over Iraq. Bonobo Feb 2013 #21
Citations, please. cliffordu Feb 2013 #22
Although it is Wikipedia, it is well sourced as you will see if you read. Bonobo Feb 2013 #23
Why, thanks, I will read. cliffordu Feb 2013 #24
Wikipedia is nothing more than a central locus for info from other sources. Bonobo Feb 2013 #25
Kool, but you DO know that the WIKI has been a source cliffordu Feb 2013 #26
I'm rather more shocked that you lived through the Clinton Admin and are so ignorant Bonobo Feb 2013 #27
Meh. cliffordu Feb 2013 #28
500,000 dead children under 5 is "meh"? Just posturing bullshit? Maybe to you. Bonobo Feb 2013 #29
Again, cliffordu Feb 2013 #31
Not about Wikipedia. Argue with UNICEF. Bonobo Feb 2013 #32
SO: Saddam's Iraq claimed 500,000 deaths cliffordu Feb 2013 #33
You could be the poster child for willfully blind and ignorant apologetics. Bonobo Feb 2013 #35
I Just read the links. cliffordu Feb 2013 #36
I have no idea what your sig line was, I never reported on it and I don't care. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #37
Well, OK then!! cliffordu Feb 2013 #44
Derp derp derp derp! Bonobo Feb 2013 #46
Yet another link to someone else's work, cliffordu Feb 2013 #47
My English Comp teacher would laud your use of terse language Kolesar Feb 2013 #34
I don't think we have attacked or based drones anywhere that we did not have permission too. Socal31 Feb 2013 #30
Who is "getting away" with what? quaker bill Feb 2013 #38
I mean it is relative. Bonobo Feb 2013 #39
Well, they are smaller and blow up less stuff quaker bill Feb 2013 #42
Drones don't result in POWs Mr.Bill Feb 2013 #40
The Difference is.... Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #45
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