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jpgray

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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:16 AM Jan 2012

What I would like explained to me [View all]

Retailers demand low prices to expand and compete.

Producers want high profits on low prices, so they manufacture overseas.

Lost manufacturing jobs are not being replaced in quantity or quality by the service sector.

Consumers can only sustain current standards of consumption through debt.

As job quality drops for the majority, credit cannot be extended at the levels which currently sustain consumer spending.

Surely developing consumer markets' retailers and producers will not manufacture in the US, as even our relatively rich market will not sustain the practice.

So where are we headed in thirty years? Is there any grand globalization fairy tale to explain this as anything but a short-term grab for wealth? Could even a single major beneficiary of this grab reasonably expect the current balance to be sustained for long after his departure? Surely the developing world, even ten or twenty years richer, will prefer to manufacture cheaply and sell low just as we do - if it costs us too many pains to sustain good jobs here through our consumption, how do we expect poorer consumer markets to sustain them for us now or in the future?

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Some of us called BS when Clinton pushed NAFTA upi402 Jan 2012 #1
+1 russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #2
Clinton signed NAFTA into Law but he certainly did not push it.. Bandit Jan 2012 #19
Oh yes he did! He pushed it majorly. Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #27
Then you were about ten years too late calling BS then NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #20
+25K lonestarnot Jan 2012 #33
Everything is made by slaves who are even more enslaved than 19th century slaves. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2012 #3
Agree with first paragraph, not the second. They will be motivated, believing it's a good thing. freshwest Jan 2012 #30
I mean "fail" as "really trying and failing." 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2012 #31
Still having trouble understanding your meanings, but the MIC is in place is what I mean. freshwest Jan 2012 #32
Everyone made fun of him and said he was crazy but doc03 Jan 2012 #4
The media whacked Perot out. And Gore finished him off on Larry King. upi402 Jan 2012 #7
Corporatists were terrified of Perot's view on trade. Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #28
The continent of Africa has yet to be exploited xchrom Jan 2012 #5
Yes, but there's already far less U.S. money to buy those goods... DCKit Jan 2012 #8
Indeed. Nt xchrom Jan 2012 #13
I think you know the answer. Look at the two-tier societies in Latin America. freshwest Jan 2012 #6
Well said. snagglepuss Jan 2012 #11
I've both bitched and supported Democrats in every election jpgray Jan 2012 #18
I didn't say bitching wasn't in order. Solutions are what are needed, not despair. freshwest Jan 2012 #23
Debt kept this economy on life support for over 20 years Warpy Jan 2012 #9
I watched a video earlier about the unseen China. Reading your post, I am reminded of a comment made snagglepuss Jan 2012 #10
Very good addition here. I suggest David Korten's videos and stories from the online magazine YES... freshwest Jan 2012 #12
+1 Yes to YES Magazine! BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #21
I can post some Korten videos for you if you want, he's got solutions. freshwest Jan 2012 #22
Sure! BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #25
I'll figure out how to make a thread of them and send you a link. freshwest Jan 2012 #29
a kinder, gentler feudalism eShirl Jan 2012 #14
Here we go again. All of our problems are due to trade with those evil poor foreigners. pampango Jan 2012 #15
How do you see this as blaming labor, poorer nations or immigrants? jpgray Jan 2012 #16
Did you reply to the wrong thread? eShirl Jan 2012 #17
I believe two disconnections must be made: Ron Green Jan 2012 #24
Where did the DU free trader squad go? Zalatix Jan 2012 #26
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