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ShadesOfBlue

(40 posts)
39. typical whining
Sat Jan 26, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jan 2013

from my fellow liberals and progressives. But then this isn't a surprise, I knew this theory would take flight as soon as it became clear this week that Reid would not follow through with full filibuster reforms. I'm curious though why it took Reid's decision to make people like the OP come to their predictable conclusions. After all the House is still ran by the GOP last time I checked and Obama knew that when putting together his speech. Regardless of what went down with the filibuster the House was always going to be an obstacle, right?


Look, I think Obama is more center-left or moderate; obviously he is not far-left. I'm okay with that and frankly the country is okay with that too considering that the goals he brought up during his inauguration address are those that are supported by a majority of the country. Therefore I am not cynical to think Obama was using those talking points as some sort of ruse to cover his true feelings and intent. The reality is that even if true filibuster reform had been put into play this week, it would still have been very difficult to push all of that legislation through. Not impossible, but very tough. Odds were laws were not going to be passed for all of these major challenges. But should that stop the President from fighting for them or stop him from laying out his vision for both his second term and America in his speech?

Here's something to remember: when politicians are not campaigning they hate bringing up promises or strongly addressing challenges that in the end they can't follow through on. That's egg on their faces. That's a blow to their political credibility and strength. That's a blow to their egos. So....I think Obama will still fight for immigration reform and the gun law changes regardless of this week's decision by Reid. For the latter he is going to get demonized by the right no matter if he wins or loses that battle so his his boldest move was asking for reform of gun laws in the first place.

I have a wait-and-see approach regarding Obama tackling climate change. His administration has done some positive things on that front but overall I think most of the folks who care about this issue are disappointed with the administration's record concerning the environment. Worst of all I don't think there is much collective will in Washington to come up with solutions NOW and to be honest the public keeps allowing this issue to slide down the list of must-dos every time other concerns bubble to the surface (like gun control). So if there is one area for one to be "cynical" enough to think Obama is looking for the easy out it could be on climate.

However I feel Obama will do whatever he can in all the other issues he addressed. That means avoiding wars when possible, protecting so-called "entitlements" from being privatized, trying tom get reasonable gun-law reforms, protecting the health rights of women, taking care of the immigration problems, etc. It won't be easy and some compromises may have to be made along the way which of course will lead to hysteria from those on the far-left (who are just as intolerant to the idea of compromise as those on the far-right).

But forget about all of that because in the end I think the speech was less about any possible promises contained within (that's more for the State of the Union anyway) and more about an affirmation that all of us Americans are cherished members of one collective national family. Tell a LGBT person that Obama's speech is merely some Corporate Democrat bullshit meant to cover all the basic Democratic talking points. Decades from now, generations from now, there will be people saying that that speech was the moment in which their life changed. Changed because they felt they were finally felt accepted or that they finally had their eyes opened and became sympathetic to the plight of others. Words matter. Speeches matter. To some people at least. Thankfully not everyone is as misanthropic as many here tend to be. Maybe there is something to be said about naivete.

Yep, cause nothing's getting passed now. Gun control? No NightWatcher Jan 2013 #1
yes, because his second term is a week old... that's enough time to get it all done OKNancy Jan 2013 #2
Thanks, OK. elleng Jan 2013 #3
Yup, too soon go judge! appal_jack Jan 2013 #22
Rain on Tim all you want madokie Jan 2013 #36
Yes, he did a great job in engineering a recovery... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #81
Thank you so much, Nancy! AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #30
I saw a post here yesterday, that said something along the lines of... FSogol Jan 2013 #51
What the hell is WRONG with him? Jeez!!! He should have checked off a few blocks on that list MADem Jan 2013 #102
It exposes Feinstein too and her assault weapons bill NOVA_Dem Jan 2013 #4
Well said. nt woo me with science Jan 2013 #16
*cough* bullshit *cough*...nt SidDithers Jan 2013 #5
So, you think this helps the chances for passage of progressive legislation in the 2nd term? leveymg Jan 2013 #10
I think that a post slamming Obama, for a failure of Reid and the other Senate Dems... SidDithers Jan 2013 #11
Right on cue: Try to make it about "slamming Obama." woo me with science Jan 2013 #18
Reminds me of a kindergartener who only eats PBJ with the crusts cut off. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #21
Because it is... SidDithers Jan 2013 #37
I don't mean to be rude, but RIF--that's what the OP is doing. nt MADem Jan 2013 #103
Obama is temporary. He is a current manifestation of a much larger problem. woo me with science Jan 2013 #105
You should really start your own thread to "talk about these things" rather than hide them in the MADem Jan 2013 #106
That's just silly. woo me with science Jan 2013 #107
No, it isn't silly, it is a separate topic, and you know it. Nice try, though. MADem Jan 2013 #108
LOL. Oh, it's been polluted with mockery by the usual corporate defenders, for sure... woo me with science Jan 2013 #110
Yeah, haul out that "corporate defenders" canard, too, when you don't get your way! MADem Jan 2013 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jan 2013 #109
This post was alerted on. The jury voted 5/1 to let it stand. ohiosmith Jan 2013 #47
Thanks for posting the results... SidDithers Jan 2013 #48
Happy to SD! ohiosmith Jan 2013 #49
Yeah, I wasn't sure if we were allowed Cha Jan 2013 #79
Reid has a good ranking with the NRA, and likely didn't want to screw that up AndyA Jan 2013 #6
Do you need a tissue? MjolnirTime Jan 2013 #7
or alternatively the president intends to fight for these things he firmly believes in arely staircase Jan 2013 #8
The Senate's chickenshit ways do not reflect on Obama. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #9
It's such a simple ruse, and we fall for it EVERY time. Yes, I loved Obama's speech. chimpymustgo Jan 2013 #12
I think you've got it. earthside Jan 2013 #54
Loved the President's speech? ProSense Jan 2013 #13
K&R This is a tremendously important OP, woo me with science Jan 2013 #14
. ProSense Jan 2013 #15
you really think anyone cares about that stupid visual? you really think you're changing any minds? HiPointDem Jan 2013 #27
Do you really think I give a shit? ProSense Jan 2013 #33
likewise. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #69
You're a riot, Hannah... SidDithers Jan 2013 #38
! JTFrog Jan 2013 #42
Apparently Bobbie Jo Jan 2013 #100
Plausible deniability and a culture of mutual back-washing. Bonobo Jan 2013 #19
Great post. nt woo me with science Jan 2013 #68
I highly recommend everyone educate themselves about this or nothing will ever change. Bonobo Jan 2013 #20
yep. my senators rotate taking the unpopular votes when necessary. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #26
Maybe they ProSense Jan 2013 #43
Absolutely. I repost sections of it everywhere I can, woo me with science Jan 2013 #65
kr HiPointDem Jan 2013 #25
Yeap, not even 24 hrs and somehow Obama becomes complicate etc uponit7771 Jan 2013 #17
You begin with the assumption filibuster reform is bad Coyotl Jan 2013 #23
Fewer people voting will be the end result of this week stultusporcos Jan 2013 #24
I agree with sid's response...cough cough bullshit cough cough graham4anything Jan 2013 #28
Good post, Graham. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #31
I guess we'll see. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #29
I would hold Harry Reid responsible for what Harry Reid does Scootaloo Jan 2013 #32
It's eleventh dimension chess. ProSense Jan 2013 #34
A strong President doesn't let the Majority Leader do his own thing. BlueStreak Jan 2013 #56
Thank you. The outcome is consistent, because the process is coordinated. woo me with science Jan 2013 #59
+1 None are so blind as those who will not see BlueStreak Jan 2013 #64
I have some questions. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #70
I don't understand any of those questions. Are you aware of the party concept? BlueStreak Jan 2013 #74
Yeap, it's Obama's fault Reid is a wimp...lol uponit7771 Jan 2013 #73
Obama should be driving everything. Yes, it is Obama's fault. BlueStreak Jan 2013 #75
crap bigtree Jan 2013 #35
typical whining ShadesOfBlue Jan 2013 #39
This absolutely serves no purpose. great white snark Jan 2013 #40
It's unadulterated bullshit. nt bluestate10 Jan 2013 #94
Huh? n/t malaise Jan 2013 #41
ooh, cute little conspiracy theory. so Obama knew that cali Jan 2013 #44
I think it's spectacularly dumb to think that the Marr Jan 2013 #58
+100000 woo me with science Jan 2013 #63
Thanks. Marr Jan 2013 #66
You don't believe Reid is an asshole...got cha uponit7771 Jan 2013 #77
I didn't bother listening or reading the inaugaration speech eilen Jan 2013 #45
So it was Obama in the Kitchen with the Candelstick? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #46
Can you explain the logic of the OP? onenote Jan 2013 #50
Why do you think? Marr Jan 2013 #62
Excellent post, woo me with science Jan 2013 #82
DU declares: Obama second term already a failure, and on purpose geek tragedy Jan 2013 #88
He borrowed Stewie's Time Machine, went forward to see what would happen with the filibuster, then MADem Jan 2013 #111
Pathetic. FSogol Jan 2013 #52
well, my expectations for Obama's second term were already low, so this quinnox Jan 2013 #53
Exactly. But the geed news is that BlueStreak Jan 2013 #57
Yes, there's always some plot afoot alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #55
They aren't even hiding it anymore. leeroysphitz Jan 2013 #60
And now the CorpoDems can... 99Forever Jan 2013 #61
agree upi402 Jan 2013 #67
Kick woo me with science Jan 2013 #71
Kick for the fucking lulz... SidDithers Jan 2013 #72
Oh you poor thing. Bernie Sanders on the Ed Show: "Reid had 47 votes for Filibuster Reform." Cha Jan 2013 #76
+ 1 n/t Still Sensible Jan 2013 #80
I hope Bernie outs the Traitor Dems that fucked the process over. MessiahRp Jan 2013 #84
+ 1. obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2013 #95
He's obviously in on it. name not needed Jan 2013 #96
Facts don't mean a damned thing to some people. Some on DU love to attach bluestate10 Jan 2013 #99
Wow! This is exactly the kind of intelligent insight that keeps me at DU. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #78
I know.. best to add the Cha Jan 2013 #83
You do realize President isnt campaigning for reelection anymore.. right? DCBob Jan 2013 #85
Corporate Democrats will always feign naivete and try to make it about Obama. woo me with science Jan 2013 #86
I dont dispute the power of money in politics but.. DCBob Jan 2013 #89
His administration has worked persistently and effectively for corporate interests woo me with science Jan 2013 #90
Many things you list there are not so easily defined to be bad or good. DCBob Jan 2013 #92
Reid didn't have the votes. brush Jan 2013 #87
They never have the votes, by design. woo me with science Jan 2013 #98
Yeah, that is true. If a person is infatuated by conspiracy theories and are convinced that they bluestate10 Jan 2013 #101
See posts 58 and 62. nt woo me with science Jan 2013 #104
Kick woo me with science Jan 2013 #91
Kick. This is important. nt woo me with science Jan 2013 #93
Yep, that is exactly what corporate Democrats do. The game is totally rigged. nt Zorra Jan 2013 #97
Filibuster reform is like playing with fire kudzu22 Jan 2013 #113
A) Reid cannot force people to vote a certain way; he can only try to persuade or pressure NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #114
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