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jimmy the one

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13. Obama disagrees with the liberal SCOTUS?
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jan 2013

sekhmets D: What Heller did was completely reverse 200+ years of history and judicial rulings. Prior to Heller the 2nd amendment was not legally viewed as a right for individuals to own guns (Thomas introduced the language of that right in an earlier ruling for which he wrote a concurring opinion in 1997)

Concur with your first sentence, SD, I consider the heller 2008 ruling a subversion of the 2ndA. It's chocked full of misrepresentations, fraudulent portrayals, half truths & tortured reasoning as well.

The ruling creates a bit of a conundrum for obama admin (I'm a staunch dem btw), for they are on record saying, recently to mitigate, 'I support the individual right to keep & bear arms' etcetra, yada yada.
.. Joe, Barack, this heller decision was the ruling of a split 5-4 court, and what you are saying is that you agree with the 5 rightwing justices scalia, alito, thomas, roberts & kennedy, and DISAGREE with the 4 liberal justices ginsburg, sotomayor, souter, & stevens who dissented that it was a militia based right to keep & bear arms.
See the conundrum? How can it be that Joe & Barack are supporting the 5 rightwing justices on this, while tossing the 4 liberal justices under the bus?
.. now there is a bit of wiggle room, in that there are actually 3 interpretations of 2ndA, one the pure militia based RKBA, the other the 'broad' individual (nra version) RKBA, and a third which is a 'narrow individual RKBA' which is really the militia based RKBA with an adjunct narrow individual right to own a gun (in that it wasn't disallowed to keep one at home). So by saying one believes in an individual RKBA could be clever way of using the 'narrow individual RKBA'. The nra only supports the broad individual RKBA.

The supreme court ruling in 1939 2ndA case, frank miller, was a 9-0 unanimous ruling for the militia based RKBA (despite what nra spindoctors have manipulated it into).

True; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #1
Yes. I posted this to narrow the discussion to cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #3
I like the "diminishing with distance" image Recursion Jan 2013 #2
Right! (I didn't mean distance litteraly, of course, but conceptually) cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #4
Not in FL... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #9
Don't forget truebluegreen Jan 2013 #26
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #5
Stand Your Ground laws have been passed in 24 states... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #10
Not quite... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #6
Which does not contradict the OP cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7
I said not quite...I didn't say you were entirely wrong... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #8
Obama disagrees with the liberal SCOTUS? jimmy the one Jan 2013 #13
Yep that is what he is doing. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #15
Obama supported that in 2008. I objected at the time. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #18
That's not exactly telling the whole truth. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #12
How do you get it so backwards? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #14
Because I read the text of the cases... dairydog91 Jan 2013 #23
Just read the second amendment... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #28
miller decison unanimous 9 - 0 jimmy the one Jan 2013 #17
Cite cases, please. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #24
The central right identified in Dred Scott tabasco Jan 2013 #11
Not quite.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #16
You're right, though central isnt the same as only cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #19
The court was asked to address one aspect of the right, specifically handguns in the home.. X_Digger Jan 2013 #20
IMO, the second ammendment defines a right to arms in defense of one's self. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #21
The Second Amendment isn't about the right to own a gun duffyduff Jan 2013 #22
April Love 2ndA court case jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
Jos Story & Blackstone jimmy the one Jan 2013 #27
Miller, 1939 take II jimmy the one Jan 2013 #29
cruikshank, presser, lewis jimmy the one Jan 2013 #30
ally ally in come free jimmy the one Jan 2013 #31
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