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MadHound

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Fri Jan 18, 2013, 04:02 PM Jan 2013

When I was a kid in high school, [View all]

The deer hunters would bring their guns to school, on a rack in the back window of their pickup truck. In fact a lot of farmers would have a long gun or two in one of those window racks.

When I was a kid in high school, there was probably a gun in every other home, with ownership rates between forty five and fifty percent of households.

When I was a kid in high school, support for the Second Amendment was bipartisan, and those few souls looking to push through gun control legislation faced a huge uphill battle.

Finally, when I was a kid in high school, there were no mass shootings of the type you see today. Yeah, in 1969 there was Charles Whitman up in the bell tower of the University of Texas, but hell, that was considered a major aberration, and besides, it was well over a decade done by the time I was in high school, and there wouldn't be another mass shooting for a decade plus after I graduated.

So what was different between now and then?

Many things, but the overarching conclusion that I've come to is that our country, our society has degenerated into a behavioral sink. In your classic behavioral sink, you take a population, any population, be it mice or men, and start putting them under ever increasing pressure. In time you start to observe strange behaviors, up to and including mass violence. This experiment has been done time and again, and it always winds up the same, with some mouse(or man) going off on a spree of violence.

Our country, our society has been under increasing stress since the late seventies. Flat or decreasing wages, fewer resources available to people, economic shock after economic shock, climate change, ever increasing partisan divides, demagogues constantly haranguing us on the radio and in the media, the list of stress in our modern society has become huge.

Is it any wonder that individuals are starting to crack under the pressure?

Perhaps the answer doesn't lie in more laws, or vast ideological fights. Perhaps the answer we seek is the overarching answer to a lot of our current problems.

Our society is making us sick, and we need to fix it before we're all victims of it. Time to remake our society into the promised land that has long been held out as the American ideal. Not only would that solve our gun problem, but a lot of others as well.

Something to think about.

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I don't think that's the source of the problem. By the way, if you were in high school sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #1
Umm, no MadHound Jan 2013 #4
Madhound, I don't think some, or many are going to "get it" Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #8
No, it's America's militarization. We think nothing's cooler than drones and WMD. sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #13
America was "militarized" in the past. bvar22 Jan 2013 #44
Good post/reply The Straight Story Jan 2013 #55
"only eight shootings" in ten years? "only eight shootings" WHAT THE FUCK? bettyellen Jan 2013 #57
This isn't your first time to post this, is it? sadbear Jan 2013 #2
And your point being? MadHound Jan 2013 #5
No, it's not that at all. sadbear Jan 2013 #6
Here's the post I remember. sadbear Jan 2013 #9
Why should I save it on my hard drive when I've got people like you around to keep track for me? MadHound Jan 2013 #14
I'm not sure why you're so defensive. sadbear Jan 2013 #15
Sorry, but I find it rather creepy when some anonymous poster is keeping that close an eye MadHound Jan 2013 #18
Isn't that the point of posting on the interwebs? AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #25
Stop spying on the things I post! jberryhill Jan 2013 #26
Heads up! zappaman Jan 2013 #35
. Squinch Jan 2013 #37
When I was in high school, national TV news MineralMan Jan 2013 #3
Great post, you put very well what I have been feeling for a long time. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #7
That's nice. But until you get those abstract cultural issues worked out, alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #10
^^This^^ 99Forever Jan 2013 #12
+1000 abelenkpe Jan 2013 #16
+1 proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #17
That's the point I'm trying to make here, MadHound Jan 2013 #19
Great! jberryhill Jan 2013 #28
This photo should be educational to those who believe this kind of racially motivated... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #53
^^^There ya go^^^^ Squinch Jan 2013 #36
Hell yes. Seconded. Robb Jan 2013 #39
Are you Berserker Jan 2013 #48
Oh my fucking Gawd alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #50
I will go as far Berserker Jan 2013 #54
Yes, the 50s and 60s were an American utopia. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #11
Happy Days! RobertEarl Jan 2013 #20
Fox News and the right wing hate machine. The FCC sure hasn't help any cause of the left. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #21
From what you write, it appears mass murder kicked off just when AR-15 and AK-47s became popular. ieoeja Jan 2013 #22
When I was in high school (circa 1964) I brought three firearms to school one day.... Scuba Jan 2013 #23
Reagan, Fox News, too much pressure on people, Zoeisright Jan 2013 #24
the problem is hate speech maindawg Jan 2013 #27
"That's the problem. And we can fix all of them." Yes, we can. SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2013 #30
Fredericksburg, Antietam, Gettysburg.... jberryhill Jan 2013 #29
That sociological concept ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #31
You cannot legislate society davidn3600 Jan 2013 #32
In the 80s, in high school, I had a kid put a gun to my head. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #33
You've nailed it, and as always, few want to accept what is before their eyes. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #34
When I was in HS stultusporcos Jan 2013 #38
School violence rates in the late 1960s were slightly higher than they are today (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #40
I was in HS in NYC in the 1960's HockeyMom Jan 2013 #41
Why, when I was a lad ... DavidDvorkin Jan 2013 #42
There have been mass shooting events just about every decade since the 1800's. CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #43
Please cite some statistics for your claim... bvar22 Jan 2013 #45
Well said. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #46
It started long before 1969 Berserker Jan 2013 #47
I went to high school and college during the 90's. No one ever brought a gun to Jennicut Jan 2013 #49
Whitman Was In 1966, Not 1969. Paladin Jan 2013 #51
How big was your high school? How big was your town? How wealthy were you? politicat Jan 2013 #52
If it's security you want.. SomethingFishy Jan 2013 #56
Like what? Your OP has generalities, but nothing specific. What exactly do you mean by "society Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #58
Just like racism, violence in America needs to be discussed in the open felix_numinous Jan 2013 #59
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