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xchrom

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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 06:11 AM Jan 2013

Jared Diamond: Do Hunter-Gatherer Societies Raise Their Children Better Than Americans Do? [View all]

http://www.alternet.org/books/jared-diamond-do-hunter-gatherer-societies-raise-their-children-better-americans-do



How much freedom or encouragement do children have to explore their environment? Are children permitted to do dangerous things, with the expectation that they must learn from their mistakes? Or are parents protective of their children’s safety, and do parents curtail exploration and pull kids away if they start to do something that could be dangerous?

The answer to this question varies among societies. However, a tentative generalization is that individual autonomy, even of children, is a more cherished ideal in hunter-gatherer bands than in state societies, where the state considers that it has an interest in its children, does not want children to get hurt by doing as they please, and forbids parents to let a child harm itself.

That theme of autonomy has been emphasized by observers of many hunter-gatherer societies. For example, Aka Pygmy children have access to the same resources as do adults, whereas in the U.S. there are many adults-only resources that are off-limits to kids, such as weapons, alcohol, and breakable objects. Among the Martu people of the Western Australian desert, the worst offense is to impose on a child’s will, even if the child is only 3 years old. The Piraha Indians consider children just as human beings, not in need of coddling or special protection. In Everett’s words, “They [Piraha children] are treated fairly and allowance is made for their size and relative physical weakness, but by and large they are not considered qualitatively different from adults ... This style of parenting has the result of producing very tough and resilient adults who do not believe that anyone owes them anything. Citizens of the Piraha nation know that each day’s survival depends on their individual skills and hardiness ... Eventually they learn that it is in their best interests to listen to their parents a bit.”

Some hunter-gatherer and small-scale farming societies don’t intervene when children or even infants are doing dangerous things that may in fact harm them, and that could expose a Western parent to criminal prosecution. I mentioned earlier my surprise, in the New Guinea Highlands, to learn that the fire scars borne by so many adults of Enu’s adoptive tribe were often acquired in infancy, when an infant was playing next to a fire, and its parents considered that child autonomy extended to a baby’s having the right to touch or get close to the fire and to suffer the consequences. Hadza infants are permitted to grasp and suck on sharp knives. Nevertheless, not all small-scale societies permit children to explore freely and do dangerous things.
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this strikes me as "noble savage" garbage cali Jan 2013 #1
By and large tama Jan 2013 #4
well, aside from the fact that your run on sentence is rather garbled, so what? cali Jan 2013 #7
Exactly what "slew of ills" do h-g societies host ... ananda Jan 2013 #42
If you ask top of hierarchy tama Jan 2013 #46
"noble savage" meets "indigo child" Quantess Jan 2013 #14
Human behaivior is about 98% predictable galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #49
Freedom and responsibility tama Jan 2013 #2
fuck those child labor laws. cali Jan 2013 #3
I get very well tama Jan 2013 #6
Can you answer my questions? Do you think we should get rid of all laws protecting children? cali Jan 2013 #8
I don't think you should ask loaded rhetorical questions and then demand an answer. Bucky Jan 2013 #11
oy, nothing rhetorical about the questions I posed. cali Jan 2013 #16
Yes tama Jan 2013 #13
That's not the way humans organize themselves once a certain population threshold is reached Fumesucker Jan 2013 #15
That's not a valid statement tama Jan 2013 #19
ironic. hunter/gatherer societies have hardly been an evolutionary success cali Jan 2013 #20
Hunter gatherer societies have a far longer track record than agrarian ones Fumesucker Jan 2013 #24
Of course not tama Jan 2013 #26
Your point is not in conflict with my own Fumesucker Jan 2013 #21
Which threshold? tama Jan 2013 #28
Evidently the threshold is below that of the population of every significant nation on the planet Fumesucker Jan 2013 #31
50 million? tama Jan 2013 #33
That population threshold being two people. N/T Chathamization Jan 2013 #40
thanks for answering. cali Jan 2013 #17
Talking about rape tama Jan 2013 #22
so where do you live? And what the fuck do YOU know about my way of life, dear? cali Jan 2013 #25
Not much tama Jan 2013 #30
lol. I live in the rural Northeast Kingdom of Vermont and cali Jan 2013 #41
Somehow tama Jan 2013 #44
And my brother shot me in the leg and head blueamy66 Jan 2013 #37
How about a happy medium? blueamy66 Jan 2013 #36
And I bet they keep their bow and arrows unloaded with trigger locks when not in use. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #5
LOL tama Jan 2013 #12
hate to break this to you, but that's hierarchical. and you sound approving of it. cali Jan 2013 #18
Yeah, whatever tama Jan 2013 #23
So they respect their kids so much XemaSab Jan 2013 #9
! xchrom Jan 2013 #10
I don't think it's the protecting Shankapotomus Jan 2013 #27
It seems to me that each generation in our society Downwinder Jan 2013 #29
American apples v. Hunter Gatherer oranges demwing Jan 2013 #32
Fruitsalad tama Jan 2013 #34
"Better"? Jesus Christ. Brickbat Jan 2013 #35
Better, no. Different, yes Marrah_G Jan 2013 #38
I think r/K selection is facinating stuff, and Guns, Grems, and Steel was brilliant n/t galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #39
I agree with Cali, noble savage BS. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #43
I agree with the "noble savage" comments gollygee Jan 2013 #45
I kept waiting to hear the better part... Johonny Jan 2013 #47
It's impossible to say. Small, traditionally organized quasi-communal tribes are so different Zorra Jan 2013 #48
Thanks tama Jan 2013 #51
I would not call this "noble savage garbage" cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #50
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