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In reply to the discussion: I am watching Oliver Stone's "Untold History" and, wow, I have to say ... [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)89. But before D-day, there was (almost) no fighting on the Western Front.
So I'm assuming that the divisions on the Western Front during, say, 1943, were just the occupying force.
Yes, you are right that we contributed in other ways, including bombing and providing Russia with supplies.
On edit: anyway, to get back to where we started, I think it is accurate to point out that Russia did most of the fighting, killing, and dying in WW2. In the minds of many Americans, the US walked in to save Europe from the Nazis, and that D-Day was a pivotal turning point. Whereas in reality, Hitler was defeated by Stalin (with some help from the US and other allies), and the heaviest fighting and decisive battles were on the Eastern Front. So, on this point, I don't think we can say that Oliver Stone's take is BS.
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I am watching Oliver Stone's "Untold History" and, wow, I have to say ... [View all]
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
OP
Yes. What I have posted is just my initial impression from the first two episodes.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#2
Darlin' ,I just knew you would be able to post the rest of the links I have been looking for!!!
dixiegrrrrl
Jan 2013
#47
Thanks for the links everyone, on to episode 3. It'll be a long night. Very interesting.
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#53
I'll keep that perspective in mind, but I still want to finish watching the series.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#28
So did our history books when I was coming up, even at the college level.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#36
We certainly killed civilians by design in Dresden, and the British did the same in Berlin
DisgustipatedinCA
Jan 2013
#64
When you find yourself saying "I'm not saying Stalin wasn't the most evil person ever, BUT..."
Recursion
Jan 2013
#15
The big question is, can one directly pin the famines on #1 and #2 of these three.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#30
Re-watch Stone's own picture. He downplayed it and left out most of the details but even he tells
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#56
Some of us can seperate the sacrifice and contribution of the Russian people
newthinking
Jan 2013
#73
I'd agree with you insofar as saying Stalin had a huge influence on the 20th century
DisgustipatedinCA
Jan 2013
#65
Haven't seen Oliver Stone's version but did see a Russian documentary on Stalin
lunatica
Jan 2013
#12
The brutality of Stalin's is perhaps underrepresented in the Stone documentary.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#13
I'm not trying to excuse the mass murders he commited against his political enemies.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#25
Bingo. The Soviet (as they were known back then) military lost between 8,800,000 to....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#70