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In reply to the discussion: The most offensive position of the NRA [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)6. which is odd, because they completely ignore due process when it comes to selling guns
or gun makers getting sued
or background checks
or basically the entire constitution and democratic process.
but, true, they take a strong stance against any gun law whatsoever, if that's what you mean...
but they cheat, so i wouldn't call their agenda 'due process'.
maybe 'intentional fear mongering'
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Most progressives oppose the way the watchlist is operated, do you support it?
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#1
I have mixed feelings...if it was well vetted and had reasonable appeal options, I could support it
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#10
Its not perfection, its the process which is pure executive branch fiat
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#12
I agree with that. I think that their needs to be some fairness in the appeal of that designation
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#18
You answering "I do" to Ted Kennedy on a terror watch list makes anything you say worthless.
Logical
Jan 2013
#66
In general, NRA asks that there be due process involved with becoming prohibited
aikoaiko
Jan 2013
#3
which is odd, because they completely ignore due process when it comes to selling guns
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#6
What I mean is that before someone is prohibited they are told of the action that will make them...
aikoaiko
Jan 2013
#22
there could be a seperate federal 'gun owner' blacklist, and you could get a chance to appeal when
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#33
Due process is for the government taking away rights, not for citizens using their inherent rights
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#47
True, but you don't get to unilaterally decree an inherent right a "public menace"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#78
being totally against anything the NRA says is a perfectly sane thing to do
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#37
due process is fine, it is the NRA which is insane. i would replace the NRA with sane people if i
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#42
of course not. it isn't logical. "you are on the list. we are watching you" makes the list pointless
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#52
people who are dangerous don't get liberties. safety of hundreds comes before 1 person's privilege
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#67
And secret government lists are the best way to determine if someone is dangerous?
hack89
Jan 2013
#70
what don't you understand about "the list doesn't work if it isn't a secret"?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#72
i really don't care about the list, except that it doesn't work for stopping illegal guns
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#75
getting to keep a gun that is frivolous to the majority of people is your reward
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#35
i don't believe the constitution says anything about criminal cases being public info
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#54
you also have the right to life, liberty, and happiness. not a gun. or a plane ride.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#64
+1... All sorts of rights-restricting advocacy groups are festooned with closet authoritarians. nt
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#55
what exactly are you doing besides imposing your 'authority' to own any gun you want?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#57
Pretty sure the FBI would oppose that "sensible regulation" as well - they don't
petronius
Jan 2013
#16
I'm in favor of scupulous protection of civil rights and liberties, for all citizens and for
petronius
Jan 2013
#23
I would not deny any civil right/liberty, nor any freedom, opportunity, choice,
petronius
Jan 2013
#34
don't forget- silencers....as wholesome, children-friendly accessories...is pretty bad, too!
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#31
Are you f-ing serious? The Bush Terra watchlist is now a credible gov't list?!?
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#53
sounds like the list is a little small to me. plus i count 25 false positives. and too many guns
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#71
I find their blocking of public health research into gun violence more vile.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#76