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Why Syzygy

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31. I regret ..
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jan 2013

that I replied while I was still a bit angry. However, when anyone excuses rape with (possible) "lust", that is a rape apologist.

The first time I came face to face with an apologist (woman blamer) was a few weeks ago on facebook. A woman holding a poster which asked, why does her college have courses for women to "avoid rape", instead of courses teaching men how "not to rape". A man suggested that it was "easier" to teach women how to avoid it! I came unglued. In the OP article it describes a woman's life as she lives in a male dominated and sexists society. She was constantly on alert. Doing everything she could to avoid rape. And all this from the time she was a little girl. Even little girls are taught that they must control their looks and behavior to AVOID RAPE! Should it be that way? Should women live in fear that someone will find her so irresistible that she will be assaulted? I don't think so. I vowed to be front and center in the obscene #rapeculture.

The same argument turned up days later. One man on my "friends" list was arguing that women are 'asking for it', and need a protective man. He went on to say that the woman holding the "slutwalk" poster probably had a man to protect her, but then she ran her mouth (his words) and so she got raped. And there was also a Muslim woman in the convo who claims that if Western women acted more like Muslim women, we would be safer. Of course that's a lie. And disgusting. I was able to control myself better; but I un-friended the creep and told off the woman.

After those occasions, we heard about the Indian woman who was murdered because she was not deemed a "respected lady" (as her killers and their lawyer claim to this day). And then Steubenville.

Now you show up on this thread to assert the exact same idea. Somehow, avoiding "lust", a woman can control the actions of men. It's pathetic. We also have the case where a woman was fired because her boss got a woody when he was around her. That is a perfect example of blaming women for a man's thoughts or actions. Women are NOT RESPONSIBLE for the actions of anyone, especially not men who she may or may not know.

Why don't you produce some scientific study to prove that rape is about sex. I grew up in the last years of innocence (even though they call it "free love". In those days men didn't think just because they got hard they had to 'have it'. Most men still have this understanding of their own bodies. They don't have to fire someone, or assault a woman just because his willy is in the right condition. They are those who don't feel it's okay for them to use their body to overpower and assault the body of someone weaker. That makes them criminals and a menace to a sane society. Other men or women who excuse this lapse in sane behavior share some of the guilt for trying to make violence acceptable.

So you wait for your "PROOF" that women are somehow responsible. Meanwhile, stay out of the company of all women. Gods forbid you find yourself with one who is 'asking for it' (by triggering your lust).

eta: I considered changing "willy" to "penis". However, since someone who blames another for their feelings or actions is not behaving as a mature man, "willy" is appropriate.

Purity Culture Is Rape Culture [View all] Why Syzygy Jan 2013 OP
k and r for this most excellent post niyad Jan 2013 #1
thanks for that.. Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #3
thank you. SBA has always been one of my sheroes. niyad Jan 2013 #23
I agree liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #2
They love them Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #4
In art .. Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #5
Bruises Hekate Jan 2013 #6
I agree liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #11
brilliant way to illustrate the way societies view women liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #10
that picture says it all. niyad Jan 2013 #22
The same judgements apply to fat legs (no text) Quantess Jan 2013 #32
I don't know what you mean? Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #39
How do we know that all instances of rape are about power and control rather than lust? LittleBlue Jan 2013 #7
Even if it begins in lust, it is still about having the power to MAKE you have sex Kurovski Jan 2013 #9
If it were only about lust, why do men who have wives and/or girlfriends rape? Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #12
Not sure, that's why I asked LittleBlue Jan 2013 #15
Psychological studies of men incarcerated for rape... loose wheel Jan 2013 #21
Lust Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #14
Just to be clear LittleBlue Jan 2013 #17
You were clear. Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #18
You can lust after something that isn't revealed LittleBlue Jan 2013 #20
may one enquire why it is so important for you to insist that rape must be about lust rather than niyad Jan 2013 #24
I wonder why he thinks men have so little control over their lust. Hatchling Jan 2013 #29
cause the male lust is oh so powerful over female lust, that it requires they rape? nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #34
Exactly. Hatchling Jan 2013 #41
That post is satirical, which is quite obvious. n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #43
to which post are you referring? the one to which I was replying, or the one to which I linked? niyad Jan 2013 #45
To be fair .. Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #47
yes, I know that it was written as satire, but, thanks to the writer's skill, caught the mentality niyad Jan 2013 #48
I regret .. Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #31
+1. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #35
about the "tossing the rape apologist accusation around in so casual a manner debases its niyad Jan 2013 #33
DU Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #40
Look at the Nodianos tape Tsiyu Jan 2013 #38
I can't believe I am reading this. duffyduff Jan 2013 #42
to which post are you referring, because nothing in post #20 talks about women civilizing men. niyad Jan 2013 #46
Whose lust doesn't die when the other person is crying and trying to get away? gollygee Jan 2013 #25
They're not. That's a comforting lie. redqueen Jan 2013 #44
The core of world religions, the non-spiritual, earthly, physical core is decaying. Kurovski Jan 2013 #8
"rape is...punishment for daring to exist as an independent being." SunSeeker Jan 2013 #13
I agree :) Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #16
Wow. That is an incredibly good article, and says it all. loudsue Jan 2013 #19
Fabulous Article! JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #26
K & R. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #27
Rape is used to keep women in place (under men). Dash87 Jan 2013 #28
thank you. yes. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #36
Just kick 'em in the Purity Balls Blue Owl Jan 2013 #30
Us Menfolk Need to be Protected from Our Own Urges! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #37
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