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karynnj

(59,503 posts)
5. I have really mixed feelings on this. To some extent, this reminds me of Webb
Sat Jan 5, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jan 2013

In 2006, Webb was the VA primary choice thought to have the best chance to beat Allen. But, his record on women from when he was in the military was atrocious. Even worse, from my perspective at that time was that he, for all intents and purposes, swiftboated Kerry, in 2004, when he was already the defacto nominee. (He wrote a dishonest oped that attacked Kerry for the work he did reconciling with Vietnam and his protesting. I was further angered when I read the reason in Rolling Stone - Webb, who used incidents of atrocities in his fiction was NOT angry because he misunderstood Kerry's testimony. He was angry because he thought that in 1971 the war was still popular and could be won! (Apparently, he blamed Kerry's testimony with making it unpopular!) Even when Kerry endorsed Webb, graciously forgiving this, I still hoped he would have lost the nomination. He didn't and went on to win the election very narrowly even with a major Allen screw up. His winning may have been the ONLY way to get that seat that year -- and it gave the Democrats the majority.

Here, I wonder if Obama has some reason that is leading him to ignore the criticism and to maybe nominate Hagel. I was wrong in 2006 - there were bigger things than Webb being very sexist, stupid on Vietnam, and an ass with regards to Kerry. Obama. Biden and Kerry all know Hagel well. Biden and Kerry have outstanding records on women's rights and gay rights, if they are advising Obama that Hagel is good for the team (and we don't know if they are), I would assume it is because of something he could bring that others can't. At minimum, I would wait to see IF Obama nominates him, and if he does, what he states as his reasons.

i don't think Hagel is one of the good guys samsingh Jan 2013 #1
He wouldn't have a say on any of those issues as SOD. Even if we loathe gateley Jan 2013 #2
I have really mixed feelings on this. To some extent, this reminds me of Webb karynnj Jan 2013 #5
Wow -- I didn't know about Webb and the Swiftboating! gateley Jan 2013 #18
I think your comments on really on target karynnj Jan 2013 #19
And you bring up good points about understanding what war really is AND being a fiscal gateley Jan 2013 #20
Snort. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #16
I have a hard time with this, in particular his vote concerning abortion on military basis and DADT. Mass Jan 2013 #21
I know -- it's his votes regarding this in the military that concern me. However, gateley Jan 2013 #23
The most important thing for me is the issue of not jumping to war. He knows what southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #29
Not True: Access to Reproductive Health Care BIG Problem for Military Women Nick_Hentoff Jan 2013 #31
OMG IS HE A REPUBLICAN??? I DID NOT KNOW THAT OMG!!!! TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #3
It is also misguided to think he is great and forget everything else. Mass Jan 2013 #4
Obama is not a stupid man. He generally surrounds himself TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #6
Apparently, he's the best Republican that Obama could find for the job. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #8
General Patraeus indicates that the discernment might be lacking, ethics and character wise... Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #11
Petraeus screwing around with Broadwell was the least TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #12
if what you say is true datasuspect Jan 2013 #13
I have neither been a critic or champion of him. He was contentious and TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #17
He surrounds himself with the fucking terrible. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #30
Which is relevant to his becoming Secretary of Defense, how? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #7
well datasuspect Jan 2013 #14
+1 n/t FSogol Jan 2013 #27
K&R The overwhelming hateful ugliness of his whole voting record is undeniable. forestpath Jan 2013 #9
Why do we care about his abortion record? LittleBlue Jan 2013 #10
because it shines a light on the type of person he is? datasuspect Jan 2013 #15
So does this: TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #22
Actually Penetta was the guy who got to write some of the rules replacing DADT dsc Jan 2013 #25
Sounds more like character assassination LittleBlue Jan 2013 #24
since when is telling the truth about a person's record character assassination dsc Jan 2013 #26
well, if you're going to support anyone without question datasuspect Jan 2013 #28
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