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dsc

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Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:00 PM Jan 2013

Appartently Hagel is the one [View all]

I will say if this were four years ago I would be beyond consolation. But Obama has earned my trust on gay issues. That isn't to say this isn't a problem. Chuck Hagel was every bit as anti gay as Jesse Helms as late as 2006. In 1998, he directly said that he would oppose a man to be ambassador to Luxembourg because he was 'aggressively gay'. In 2001, he told the NYT, that ending DADT would be a social experiment. We are now told he has changed. He issued an apology for what he said about Hormel but not for what he said about DADT. This apology was issued after the possibility of becoming Defense Secretary happened. He was silent during the 2009-2010 run up to removing DADT. If this isn't a case of saying whatever he thinks we want to hear I would like to know what specific event caused his change of heart. The fact is his appointment will set a horrible precedent. You can be a huge anti gay bigot, issue a curiously timed apology, and serve in a Democratic administration. It will be quite hard for us to oppose such appointments in Republican administrations once we give Hagel a pass.

There is also the problem that gays serving isn't the done deal we think it is. There are several issues that still are being worked out. There are also significant numbers of service members who are adamantly opposed to gays serving at all, let alone openly. They will be emboldened by Hagel's appointment. I wouldn't want to be an openly gay soldier reporting to a bigot in Hagel's defense department. Hagel will have a big say in the final arrangements of getting rid of DADT. He will be issuing rules about this. I hope someone on the Armed Services committee will pin Hagel down on this. Even better would be having someone other than Hagel be responsible for writing any regulations having to do with ending DADT with Obama himself being the person who signs off on them. Unfortunately Tammy Baldwin isn't on the Armed Services committee but Gillibrand is. I hope she has eaten her wheaties.

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kick dsc Jan 2013 #1
I trust the President's decision and he knows what the hell he is doing and it is his call to make. Purveyor Jan 2013 #2
The Senate has been given a role dsc Jan 2013 #4
Yeah. That is the only issue that is important in this day when it comes to this country's defense Purveyor Jan 2013 #7
well if we can't find dsc Jan 2013 #11
As I said previously, I trust the President's judgement on this. eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #13
I don't trust any politician's judgement and I did not support Democrats in order to put sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #15
Well then don't vote for President Obama again... lol. eom Purveyor Jan 2013 #16
If the Dem Party is going to turn into the Republican Party on issues such as gay rights sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #18
You've got it backwards--a conservative Republican is coming around to the Democratic TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #19
Politicians have a habit of apologizing when they want something and that is sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #24
No, actually, I've never heard an apology like this one from a Republican. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #26
It is a problem for all the reasons you stated and also for the reason that Hagel himself merrily Jan 2013 #3
I agree with much of what you say dsc Jan 2013 #5
I did not perceive the OP to which I replied as making that point. merrily Jan 2013 #21
I like the nomination LittleBlue Jan 2013 #6
I would hope we could find a non homophobic war skeptic dsc Jan 2013 #12
You're okay with a homophobic Republican in a position of power like this? sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #17
Here are the two alternatives most mentioned LittleBlue Jan 2013 #37
Congress and the President make war decisions. merrily Jan 2013 #22
In 2006, here's how anti-gay Hagel was: TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #8
actually Brownback voted to confirm the ambassador in committee dsc Jan 2013 #10
Actually, Hagel must have voted for him in committee, too, according to the Wiki page TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #14
Hagel to this day is at best a mixed bag on these issues. merrily Jan 2013 #23
You likely won't find someone who ISN'T a "mixed bag" on some issues. TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #25
Sorry, "everyone has flaws" is false equivalency, at best. merrily Jan 2013 #27
Hormel accepted the apology. Obama wouldn't tarnish one of his proudest Presidential TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #31
To the contrary: Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #32
Nobody is defending Hagel in terms of his past relationship TwilightGardener Jan 2013 #34
I didn't say they were defending Hagel, I said they were defending the recommendation. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #36
What in heaven's name does Bush floating a name mean? Nothing. He did not choose him. merrily Jan 2013 #39
To the contrary, Hormel said Hagel never even apologized to him directly. merrily Jan 2013 #38
if Barney Frank is appointed to Kerry's seat JI7 Jan 2013 #9
May be that he evolved when Obama did. sammy27932003 Jan 2013 #20
I don't believe either of them evolved. I believe that obama was always fine merrily Jan 2013 #28
We did not elect Obama to appoint ignorant conservatives to any post whatsoever. Zorra Jan 2013 #29
+1 I feel the "it's just one prayer" all over. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #30
Thank you. Why does this even need saying? merrily Jan 2013 #40
President Obama lurves appointin' him some Republicans! nt Poll_Blind Jan 2013 #33
Would be nice if he had the same love for Liberals and Progressives stultusporcos Jan 2013 #42
Well, then, Hagel is going to have to suck it up and serve cliffordu Jan 2013 #35
replace gay with muslim dsc Jan 2013 #43
Chuck Hagel can't be all bad, Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #41
I doubt they would want Ron Paul either dsc Jan 2013 #44
The same DUers who excuse Hagel in many cases were also wailing against John McCain for Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #45
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