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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:05 PM Dec 2012

On liberals and realpolitik in a representative democracy. [View all]

Time and again, the message that liberals get is that they need to sit down, shut up, and let the adults take charge. That is a truly insulting and infuriating message on many levels, but perhaps most importantly is that it implies that liberals don't know how realpolitik works in our society.

We live in a representative democracy, and in any such political system, lots of voices are going to be heard from, on the right, left and center. As many political pundits past have noted, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease in a system such as ours, ie those who make the most commotion are the ones whose issues are most addressed, at least for awhile, until another group comes along who is louder.

Thus, it is perfectly normal for any political group should raise a ruckus, correct? That's exactly what we've seen happen in the past, and the present. Sometimes it takes years or decades of concerted noise making to get your group's issues addressed, but eventually, perhaps for no other reason than to shut that group up for awhile, that group's issues are addressed.

So why should liberals sit down, shut up, and simply take what is given to us? That is a sure recipe for none of our issues getting addressed. In fact, judging by the realpolitik of our government, liberals should actually be louder, more persistent in expressing their views, the better to get their issues addressed. But when liberals do, they are insulted at the highest levels("fucking retarded&quot or addressed like children("eat your peas&quot . At best, liberals are simply ignored.

Sometimes, when liberals get upset over a particular issue that has been proposed, such as cutting Social Security benefits, we are told that this is simply a trial balloon, and that we should settle down and shut up. Really?! Excuse me, but that is the purpose of a trial balloon, to gauge public opinion on a particular policy idea. If liberals were to settle down and shut up about a trial balloon, that would give the administration the false impression that nobody opposed it, and thus would feel free to ram it through. The most important thing that anybody, left, right or center, is to make a ruckus when the administration sends up a trial balloon that they don't approve of.

In fact, making a ruckus is how a representative democracy works. If you sit down and shut up, your issues simply won't be addressed. The most foolish thing that one can do in this type of government is to sit down and shut up.

The other way that a group effects policy, and personnel carrying out that policy is our vote. It is the only way that a person in this country can effectively express their approval or disapproval of a particular politician. If you continue to blindly vote for a bad politician, bad policy is going to continue to get made. Our vote is how we hold our politicians accountable, and it should never, ever be taken for granted.

This is the realpolitick of our representative democracy, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Your voice and your vote are vital in holding our politicians accountable, and to keep them from making bad policy. Use them wisely, and never, ever, let anybody try to talk you out of using them. Doing so only leads to more bad policy.

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Allow me to be the first squeaky wheel to rec your post MH Fumesucker Dec 2012 #1
Squeaky wheel #2. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #2
When TPTB tell you to sit down ... LisaLynne Dec 2012 #3
Of course, & well said. "Be realistic" is just lame rhetoric from those with no argument. DirkGently Dec 2012 #4
Well said. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #5
"if you're not complaining...you're working for someone" <-- SPOT ON nashville_brook Dec 2012 #8
As is starkly evident in the contrast between Bush and Obama Doctor_J Dec 2012 #9
You noticed! Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #12
The FDR/JFK Dems and a lot of Indy's noticed Doctor_J Dec 2012 #16
I noticed in about 1982 Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #37
those majorties were fake DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #42
It's still bullshit Doctor_J Dec 2012 #44
"bottom of the pile" limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #43
When the head of the party proposed something as unacceptable to the rank and file as SS cuts... nashville_brook Dec 2012 #6
I very much agree. As constituents, it is our right and privilege to criticize. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #10
amen...also.... nashville_brook Dec 2012 #47
Republicans avoid these problems by serving their base Doctor_J Dec 2012 #7
Here is one more thing about the difference between our party and the other one Doctor_J Dec 2012 #11
? Fuddnik Dec 2012 #15
Squeak. 99Forever Dec 2012 #13
K&R Funny how it's always when we liberals expect the Democratic Party to act like forestpath Dec 2012 #14
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #17
Kicked and reccomended for being the best thread I've read in a while Populist_Prole Dec 2012 #18
K&R (n/t) a2liberal Dec 2012 #19
strong with this one, the butthurt is arely staircase Dec 2012 #20
Yes, if by "butthurt" you mean the most vulnerable taking a huge $$ hit nashville_brook Dec 2012 #23
Nice troll talk, genius. Does illustrate the point about the mentality of partisan robots. DirkGently Dec 2012 #26
put me on your ignore list arely staircase Dec 2012 #27
online equivalent of "i know you are but what am i" nashville_brook Dec 2012 #30
Perpetual primary pains. great white snark Dec 2012 #35
and went on to be obama's sec. of state arely staircase Dec 2012 #36
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Dec 2012 #21
Clearly, ProSense Dec 2012 #22
Voted for Obama because SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #25
Wow! ProSense Dec 2012 #28
So you are saying I am free to discuss liberal candidates other than Obama SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #32
Seems ProSense Dec 2012 #38
madhound will NOT answer that question arely staircase Dec 2012 #29
Great, perhaps you can tell me why I won't answer that question, MadHound Dec 2012 #48
answer my question first - since i asked it first arely staircase Dec 2012 #50
On the contrary, the OP is a takedown of disingenuous *attempts* to silence. DirkGently Dec 2012 #31
Fucking A, right! TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #24
Well Said, Sir! cer7711 Dec 2012 #33
+1 nashville_brook Dec 2012 #39
Where are all these posts telling you to "shut up?" great white snark Dec 2012 #34
Squeaky Wheel 45 K&R. Octafish Dec 2012 #40
fantastic post! liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #41
That many won't "SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP" is why DU is having so much angst amongst posters KoKo Dec 2012 #45
Oddly enough, I rec this. DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #46
THIS is why dems turn green IDoMath Dec 2012 #49
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