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GreenStormCloud

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28. Those numbers are bogus.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:46 PM
Dec 2012

If you will click on the detail page to show each killing you will find that the Michigan states entries include exactly 100 suicides in which the only one killed was the CCWer. The entries don't give the method of suicide so if a person took pills to do it then it has nothing to do with him having a CCW, but VPC still counts it.

When a CCWer commits a murder/suicide they count that as two CCW killings instead of one.

They have been counting since 2007 to get the highest number, instead of giving an annual rate. An annual rate is a more accurate number, but not as alarming.

Some of those murders were not done with guns, so what does having a CCW have to do with it?

If you really want an accurate comparison of CCW people to the general population, which I seriously doubt that you do, the state of Texas annually publishes the exact statistics for their state. At the end of 2011 we had 518,625 people with Concealed Handgun Licenses. We had exactly 6 convicted of murder or manslaughter, out of 573 such convictions for the entire state. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/demographics.htm

Here is a chart comparing conviction rates of CHL holders to the general population. CHLers are in red, General Population in blue.
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We are far more law-abinding than the general public, although some few of us do go bad.

Meh, too messy, too traumatic. Denninmi Dec 2012 #1
Fortunately, scented candles don't seem to have an associated risk factor. Robb Dec 2012 #2
I've tried that. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #14
The Beagle has landed Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3
Harsh. But there it is. Robb Dec 2012 #4
Ad this remains the strongest argument against gun ownership cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #5
It also underscores the specificity of the weapon loyalsister Dec 2012 #22
if they committed suicide right after they bought the gun, they bought the gun to kill themself NightWatcher Dec 2012 #6
You don't have to read the article, but reading the excerpt before replying is considered good form. Robb Dec 2012 #9
I am sure most of those committed, and not attempted. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #11
And, amen. n/t easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #19
read the excerpt, but had issues with the findings, thank you NightWatcher Dec 2012 #23
LOL Robb Dec 2012 #24
no, not what I said, I think you are having the reading comprehension issues. NightWatcher Dec 2012 #26
It's anecdotal easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #25
In addition, CCW holders have killed 499 people, including 14 LEO's and 23 mass murders. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #7
Those numbers are bogus. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #28
That's because some people purchase handguns specifically for the purpose of killing themselves slackmaster Dec 2012 #8
See above. Robb Dec 2012 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #13
I worked for a chef who had killed two people by accidentally falling on them. Robb Dec 2012 #16
Egad, I take it he was a person of size slackmaster Dec 2012 #17
No, the falls were both from some height. Robb Dec 2012 #18
M times V squared slackmaster Dec 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #15
I've had about 25 first years of pistol ownership ileus Dec 2012 #12
Your individual experience does not negate the scientific study cited in the OP. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #21
No real need, I just bought/traded them. ileus Dec 2012 #29
Did you enjoy typing all that up? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #30
That explains the gun industry's Turbineguy Dec 2012 #27
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