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In reply to the discussion: Drunk driving and guns. [View all]

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
21. I have to agree that this is a complex problem.
Tue Dec 25, 2012, 02:05 AM
Dec 2012

Large scale civilian gun ownership is both a cause of violence and a symptom of it. We are a society that has come to think of violence rather than discourse as a solution to many problems. That's why there are so many "gun nuts" who are stocking up on "survival" gear and waiting for "SHTF" (shit hits the fan, meaning a collapse of civil society). They've given up on society even though we are not actually facing any existential threats (except global warming).

Cultures by definition are self reproducing. In the USA, violent culture is expressed by things like guns, police violence, aggressive foreign policy, callousness in domestic policy, capital punishment, tolerance for poverty even among children, or preferred entertainment forms and others. The attitudes that promote these things also cause people to accept them as normal. The national narrative claims that violence won independence, ended slavery, won the west, defeated fascism and communism.

As Michael Moore noted, Canadians have a lot of guns, but very little violent crime. (They do have strict gun control.) For the most part, Canadians just are not violence people. Similarly, when I was in Jordan last summer, I never felt like I needed some way to protect myself. Civilian firearms are illegal in Jordan. The people do not want or need them in large part because Jordanians just are not violent people. As a tallish, fat, white man, I stuck out like a sore thumb, but there was never even the suggestion of hostility.

Drunk driving and guns. [View all] Whovian Dec 2012 OP
cars and guns have something else in common... Deep13 Dec 2012 #1
Good on you but back in reality world Whovian Dec 2012 #2
Reality world? Where do you think I live? Deep13 Dec 2012 #19
The Israeli solution seems like a sensible and civilized weapons policy. libdem4life Dec 2012 #3
The last Aircraft threat was over a decade ago for any country. Whovian Dec 2012 #4
The US. The TSA. A Federal Agency. libdem4life Dec 2012 #7
Other than 9-11 thare have been virtually no flights Whovian Dec 2012 #9
Yes, we agree. Point being we devised a national system to make air passengers safe. libdem4life Dec 2012 #18
We've also cut gun violence by more than half in 20 years Recursion Dec 2012 #5
A straight line Whovian Dec 2012 #6
What was the straight line that has reduced gun violence so much? Recursion Dec 2012 #8
Like all the school shootings and mass killings? Whovian Dec 2012 #10
Yes, schools are *MUCH* safer than they were 20 years ago Recursion Dec 2012 #11
Has it? GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #12
In a two-decade window? Significantly Recursion Dec 2012 #13
Those stats don't specially address gun crime hack89 Dec 2012 #28
The straight line that would ban most guns from the hands of the general public. Whovian Dec 2012 #14
I have no idea what that would do Recursion Dec 2012 #15
Want to expand a bit on that thought? Are peeps going to grow their own guns? Whovian Dec 2012 #16
Ask yourself how many people the war on drugs has killed Recursion Dec 2012 #17
Well, if their guns have been confiscated Whovian Dec 2012 #20
And if confiscating all or even most of the 300,000,000 guns out there were possible... Recursion Dec 2012 #24
But of course! 99Forever Dec 2012 #25
Confiscating some and driving the rest underground Recursion Dec 2012 #27
In case you didn't notice... 99Forever Dec 2012 #29
Nice try; I don't own any guns Recursion Dec 2012 #30
Of course you don't. 99Forever Dec 2012 #32
You must get paid by the post, then? morningfog Dec 2012 #35
I have to agree that this is a complex problem. Deep13 Dec 2012 #21
Apparently they are either going to shoot the ocean or the drought, Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #31
signs like this are cute Superbot Dec 2012 #22
Designated shooters? Glassunion Dec 2012 #23
This just doesn't make sense cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #26
Not to a gun fetishist. To the rest of the world, maybe so. Whovian Dec 2012 #33
I doubt gun fetishists are the only people on Earth who can think cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #34
Not to the gun prohibitionists Angleae Dec 2012 #36
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