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In reply to the discussion: BULLSHIT that it's a victory. Let's get our compasses straight as Democrats. [View all]Marr
(20,317 posts)200. So your argument is that he's better than GW Bush?
That's enough to make you cheer and clap your hands, huh? Well, you certainly have low expectations but if it makes you happy, clap away.
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BULLSHIT that it's a victory. Let's get our compasses straight as Democrats. [View all]
woo me with science
Dec 2012
OP
Our expectations are so low that "it's not a staggering loss yet!" is viewed as resounding victory
villager
Dec 2012
#1
That's his story. How soon is he going to publicly state that he wants to privatize it in order to
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#106
Huh? This is the SECOND TIME this president has stealthily offered to cut Social Security.
Marr
Dec 2012
#42
So the "story" is that the "adult" offered the very reasonable option of chained CPI.
Bonobo
Dec 2012
#75
Stupid ass move my ass! We all know Obama isn't stupid. The question should be,
Dustlawyer
Dec 2012
#177
Actually, they didn't go "home with NOTHING in their hands." They went home with an offer to cut SS.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#95
Validating your opponent's position on not only austerity, but SS + the deficit is a "tactic"?
Marr
Dec 2012
#110
Exactly, All the shitspewers who squeal about his "mad negotiating skillz!"
kenny blankenship
Dec 2012
#174
Yep - the overwhelming angst of about 100 of these posts mean they are losing the narrative.
cliffordu
Dec 2012
#61
what "reality"? The one where President Obama offered a chained CPI to SS? Still on the table
Vincardog
Dec 2012
#152
Tell me one banker brought up on Criminal charges by this administration. You can't do it.
Vincardog
Dec 2012
#165
Obama is not the issue, he is just a politician who will be gone in four years.
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#205
If we can restore the tax cuts on people below $250K, I'm fine with (most of) the rest of it.
reformist2
Dec 2012
#3
True. But I'd like it, if it was offered by the President as part of the great game of chess.....
Little Star
Dec 2012
#119
If there is truly one thing that is "off the table," it is defense expenditures.
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#26
"Every single time Democrats reinforce this narrative, it is damaging to the country. "
Bonobo
Dec 2012
#9
Actually, they didn't go "home with their tail between their legs". They went with an offer to cut
AnotherMcIntosh
Dec 2012
#96
An offer the Rape-publi-scum did not accept because it was coupled
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#120
What are you talking about? The two year shield or the bump at a certain age?
TheKentuckian
Dec 2012
#118
What's the strategy? Pelosi says he's going to accept the Chained CPI. Is she
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#37
The Part B that passed is HR6684 and Reid said it won't be brought to a vote in the Senate.
PoliticAverse
Dec 2012
#163
Nancy Pelosi is a liar then? And so is Steny Hoyer? Is that what you are saying?
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#64
Please do not remind us of the HC debacle. If you think progressives were not
sabrina 1
Dec 2012
#76
There's the Third Way again: "Progressives are not in the majority."
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#109
I'm on the way to a meeting with local activists for a talk and a beer right now
cliffordu
Dec 2012
#184
And people who are upset with the corporate takeover of our party?
woo me with science
Dec 2012
#189
When governing is reduced to a team sport and combined with a complete withdrawal
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#194
I call it support for Obama's bluff. The Rape-publi-scum suck at poker (Obama's
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#121
I understand your position and the progressive in me firmly agrees. However, the
coalition_unwilling
Dec 2012
#146
Abuse of Shakespeare still doesn't give your 'argument' any substance. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#56
I know, huh. I mean, some of us don't even watch TV & were totally fooled by those
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#117
Methinks he hath left the realm of Midgard and taken Bifrost to the wastes of Niffelheim!
Bonobo
Dec 2012
#48
Well, "I will never cut Social Security" was a helluva campaing slogan,
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2012
#33
That was just the opening move in the long gambit that won us this big victory! nt
Bonobo
Dec 2012
#35
Thank you! Well said. Bedrock Democratic values as bargaining chips. Austerity for the 99% is not
Overseas
Dec 2012
#39
Un-rec. ignoring the facts & just saying stuff doesn't make it so, no matter what labels it wears.
patrice
Dec 2012
#43
What facts is he ignoring? You were just explaining to me yesterday that it was essential
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#54
Please quote precisely how you get that out of what I said in that post. Admitting the POSSIBILITY
patrice
Dec 2012
#63
President had better recognize it wasn't just a repuke candidate rejected, it was their IDEAS too
on point
Dec 2012
#51
Obama is to the Right of Ronald Reagan's ghost on Social Security for Pete's sake
99th_Monkey
Dec 2012
#52
Honestly, I'm having trouble figuring out if this is for real, or are we being fucked with. It's so
patrice
Dec 2012
#66
Are we supposed to be thankful that a Democratic president offered to cut Social Security?
jsr
Dec 2012
#87
"BULLSHIT that anything happening now is a victory or that we should be celebrating"
ProSense
Dec 2012
#91
Big Money is running this show and we're all gonna get fucked until all the fucking is done
datasuspect
Dec 2012
#105
I'll dare. Boehner's failure to rally his own party to vote for his alternative is a FAILURE for him
bigtree
Dec 2012
#113
On a bright note, it's good to see progressives rallying to defend Social Security and Medicare.
limpyhobbler
Dec 2012
#139
Sometimes, the best you can hope for is hurting them more than yourself.
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2012
#159