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vankuria

(900 posts)
5. That's the problem
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:54 PM
Dec 2012

you can't force an adult to get treatment, take meds, etc. Unless the person is a danger to himself or others, in which case you'd need a court order, there's not much you can do. And from what I understand, getting a court order is no easy task either. I sympathize with you.

call it in as danger to self and others? n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #1
Most of the time this person is stable. graywarrior Dec 2012 #2
up to you... n/t a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #4
There really isn't much that can be done Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #19
You can't unless you can prove they are dangerous. Not easy to do. Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #3
Which begs the question how to handle mental illness and guns. graywarrior Dec 2012 #6
I agree. No real solution unless we want to strip the mentally ill of their civil rights. Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #15
I know. Check out this story. graywarrior Dec 2012 #16
In my country we have draft tama Dec 2012 #36
That's the problem vankuria Dec 2012 #5
It's frustrating because if he got treatment, his life would not be so complicated. graywarrior Dec 2012 #9
It's his life tama Dec 2012 #37
You're approx the 20th person to say that. lol graywarrior Dec 2012 #39
That's what they always say tama Dec 2012 #46
All is suffering is not negative when you really think about it graywarrior Dec 2012 #61
and then they only get southern_belle Dec 2012 #54
It depends on the state, but generally it comes down to demonstrating a danger to self or others, Brickbat Dec 2012 #7
Court ordered commitment nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
i have a brother worse of than yours. it's very hard. unblock Dec 2012 #10
Arrrgghh, that would kill me! graywarrior Dec 2012 #11
that a big problem for mental illness in general, and bipolar in particular unblock Dec 2012 #75
I can tell you from personal experience, generally you can't force anyone into treatment. slackmaster Dec 2012 #12
Damn it slackmaster, given your experience it seems like a lose-lose situation in many cases. Other jody Dec 2012 #17
Despite heroic efforts by the police and medical professionals and myself, the only person... slackmaster Dec 2012 #18
And that's all you can ever demand of yourself. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #21
So sorry for you. I have several friends from Vietnam, one an Aussie Squadron Leader, commit suicide jody Dec 2012 #25
That's frightening. graywarrior Dec 2012 #20
Yes it is. I'm in a cold sweat right now from thinking about it. I was in therapy for 4 months. slackmaster Dec 2012 #26
The solution to the gun/mental health issue won't be easy. graywarrior Dec 2012 #31
"hate me and bully me"! I'm an old man and held many responsible positions in govt., education, and jody Dec 2012 #40
!!!! graywarrior Dec 2012 #62
Adam Lanza had EASY access to guns. That's the difference. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #57
Thank you for your kind words slackmaster Dec 2012 #77
Oh gosh! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #48
What about using Baker acted...n/t monmouth3 Dec 2012 #13
Is legal system the only way? nt jody Dec 2012 #14
They lie...and the person goes in for 72 hours and emerges pissed off SoCalDem Dec 2012 #22
I know, even when he sees his primary care doctor, he's pissed for a few days after. graywarrior Dec 2012 #24
Yes, my friend who I had "5150'd" absolutely hated my guts when she got out slackmaster Dec 2012 #27
The laws and mechanisms vary from state to state, but, in general cbayer Dec 2012 #23
They only have to be stable enough to tell the police "I'm fine" and maintain for a few minutes slackmaster Dec 2012 #28
Not true everywhere. In many places, EMT's or police can bring someone into cbayer Dec 2012 #30
Thanks for that. My actions in the case outlined here were taylored to San Diego, and the victim. slackmaster Dec 2012 #42
Florida had a thing where physicians were 5250ing elderly with no family to fund their clinics. TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #60
Saddly these issues cross two of our most sacred cows Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #29
The original American Horror Story graywarrior Dec 2012 #33
Someone needs to make an editorial cartoon Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2012 #50
You nailed that one! graywarrior Dec 2012 #51
If you can't get them Baker acted, at least talk to police and get a paper trail started. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #32
You don't force people tama Dec 2012 #34
Very interesting comment. graywarrior Dec 2012 #47
If you ask good psychiatrists tama Dec 2012 #53
Absolutely! graywarrior Dec 2012 #55
<3 tama Dec 2012 #63
You rock! graywarrior Dec 2012 #66
Bipolar person chiming in here. Just wanted to point out that GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #70
What a great post, GreenPartyVoter! graywarrior Dec 2012 #71
Thanks. :^) I just thought it might help to hear from someone who has the DX. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #72
For sure! graywarrior Dec 2012 #74
Even treatment is not the only solution to the mentally ill. randome Dec 2012 #35
And when the village tama Dec 2012 #38
Tama, you've pegged it. Almost makes me hope the Mayan 12/21/12 prediction is correct. nt jody Dec 2012 #41
By the look of the world, it is tama Dec 2012 #43
Indeed! graywarrior Dec 2012 #64
It's very hard to get somebody commited nowadays because it was horribly abused... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #44
Yes and if a person is a paranoid schizophrenic (like someone else I know) they graywarrior Dec 2012 #49
I am in favor of compulsory annual mental health exams for school kids... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #45
Bottom line: You can't. Been there, done that, with a family member. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #52
"Force" is the key word. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #56
I think the point is that we don't know who is a threat to themselves or others... randome Dec 2012 #58
Eliminate the stigma by acceptance tama Dec 2012 #67
That really doesn't help. randome Dec 2012 #73
You can't. So the solution is to make mass slaughter virtually impossible for them riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #59
It's a complicated issue. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #65
I used to do art therapy in a MA asylum. graywarrior Dec 2012 #68
You can call it in but if they passed a MSE and arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #69
I heard 85% of us need help tblue Dec 2012 #76
You could see a lawyer about getting the person committed to an institution. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #78
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