Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
18. I agree with everything you say
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:53 AM
Dec 2012

I would only change one word, your word "stealing" I think of as "defaulting." Of course, I am technically wrong because I know the Social Security act can be repealed tomorrow. I learned this from Bernanke when he spoke at a Senate hearing! I thought this was an appalling thing to say but he didn't seem to flinch as he spoke.

The problem is for Uncle Sam that it touts investment into U.S. Treasury Bonds as the safest investment in the world. Many countries have invested in them because they agree. However, looking at the fact that Uncle Sam is now considering cutting Social Security and the Federal Government pensions (numbers one and sixth as the largest debt holders) by slowing down the rate of growth over the next years may not technically be legally a default, but it certainly feels like one when looking at the fact a participant might lose $18,000+ if he or she lives 25 years into retirement.

I just qualified the first of this month for Social Security and I receive my first check next month. I have paid my FICA taxes for over 40 years, in fact, overpaying them since the deal was struck in 1982 or 1983 to overcharge participants FICA in order to fund the huge Boomer retirement now in progress. I am not so wrapped up in myself that I think these things revolve around me; but I do think there are millions just like me, and we are all getting the short end of the stick.

True, the deficit has to be addressed but two of the largest profiteers from the unfunded wars, Halliburton and The Carlyle Group, paid little or no corporate taxes. Why should not they, and other corporations rather than middle class and impoverished Americans being asked to step up to the plate?

I do not expect to remain a Democrat if this deal is passed. And I think the Democrat legislators that sign off on it leave themselves very exposed when they run for re-election.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

WE the PEOPLE! elleng Dec 2012 #1
You are exactly right -- but all we hear is the debt owed by China and other foreign countries Samantha Dec 2012 #6
You're welcome, Sam. elleng Dec 2012 #9
And that tactic relies on a misunderstanding. PETRUS Dec 2012 #21
Thank you for your post Samantha Dec 2012 #28
I was pretty sure that was the answer MiniMe Dec 2012 #2
I just like to make sure everyone knows that Samantha Dec 2012 #7
US citizens hold around 80% of US debt. Social Security is a big holder. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #3
Did you add them all up or did you already have this figure? Samantha Dec 2012 #8
US Debt to the penny & who holds it: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
Lets face it, we're never going to retire. We will work until we are broken. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4
It appears that is the plan Samantha Dec 2012 #10
US (us)....borrowed from the SS trust fund. Historic NY Dec 2012 #5
Yes, and the huge babyboomer retirement has started en masse Samantha Dec 2012 #11
And understand that the real "fiscal cliff" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #12
All you say is very true Samantha Dec 2012 #13
Great point. BlueStreak Dec 2012 #19
And one more thing ... BlueStreak Dec 2012 #20
Actually, why worry...they will never ask to collect it. your credit card debt is fine as long as kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #14
I don't know how to categorize debt owned by the Federal reserve when we all know they printed $ dkf Dec 2012 #15
Yes. Basically, for years and years, JDPriestly Dec 2012 #17
I agree with everything you say Samantha Dec 2012 #18
Social Security is not an investment plan FarCenter Dec 2012 #23
No, it is not an investment plan Samantha Dec 2012 #24
Well, that's for the $16 trillion of Treasury debt. There is another $24 trillion government agency FarCenter Dec 2012 #22
I found the budget outlays on page 18 interesting too. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #25
This is a great post Samantha Dec 2012 #27
Could you take a look at this, JDPriestly -- regarding the Post Office Samantha Dec 2012 #29
So you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
I bet you are surprised, about as much as I Samantha Dec 2012 #30
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Who or what exactly is th...»Reply #18