Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Wanna see what some mental health providers are thinking right now? [View all]politicat
(9,808 posts)67. So...
I'm taking about kids that are aggressive, drop out, have low intelligence an just get into trouble all the time.
Here's the thing with "aggressive, trouble-making dropouts." By the time they're 15 or 16 and have their reputation, they've usually spent a decade in crappy schools with inexperienced or burnt out teachers who have flattened their ability to invest and care out of self-defense. (Note that I'm talking urban-suburban; rural aggressive, trouble-making dropouts have their own set of issues.) It's not the teachers' fault -- teachers have it no better than we head-shrinkers. Those kids are generally not low-intelligence -- the most effective trouble-makers are often of high-normal intelligence. They ARE ignorant because learning is a skill they've never been taught. They often have underlying heavy metals toxicity (which affects impulsivity and long-term planning ability) from living in sub-standard housing. They often experienced early childhood malnutrition, which also contributes to impulsivity. Why should they care when nobody around them does? (If you haven't read it yet, please read Sudhir Venkatesh's Gang Leader for a Day. JT was brilliant and an example of how we waste young, agile minds.)
These kids live in a truly dysfunctional power structure -- they know that their parents/elders are exploited by a system that takes their labor and gives as little as possible in return, or without even the hope of being exploited. They see no reason to believe they'll have anything different, and few reasons to invest in a system that doesn't invest in them. They can't articulate it, but they know they're being screwed.
When people are powerless, they will assert any power possible. If that means causing trouble, that's the scrap they can take. Causing trouble doesn't HELP, but it's a solace for a little while. They feel better, at least temporarily. Intoxicants and sex follow the same pattern -- intoxication is insulation from the insults the world is hurling; sex is a temporary connection. In a world with little solace, you take what you can get.
The Boston State Hospital example (and most of the state hospitals) are an excellent example of what we shouldn't do -- and the smoking is a strong indicator of exactly what population we screwed over. About 80% of schizophrenics smoke heavily, because nicotine and the MAOIs in tobacco smoke work as neuro-regulators. They're medicating when they smoke. Tobacco is a somewhat better drug than the anti-psychotics in our medicine cabinet -- fewer immediate side effects, easier to obtain. (Cancer and emphysema are not concerns when the voices are loud.) Schizophrenia is brittle -- without meds, a schizophrenic has about a 1 in 10 chance of navigating the world. Out-patient care can work, but only with high-touch, regular and consistent assistance and advocacy. A social worker with a 500 client case load can't provide that.
As far as Congress goes... they're the other end of the power spectrum, and just as much at the mercy of money as my teen-age dropouts. Experts don't make campaign contributions. We've got a broken system in need of far more bribery and far less corruption.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
72 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Wanna see what some mental health providers are thinking right now? [View all]
Jackpine Radical
Dec 2012
OP
Another request for an OP with a link to this one, please. People have no idea.
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#53
Loved "...so I have the energy and time to fight for better conditions for clients and colleagues...
duhneece
Dec 2012
#63
Self-preservation is very selfish and people should be proud of that...
Comrade_McKenzie
Dec 2012
#36
I'm sorry, where was the requirement that all mental health professionals treat all clients?
jeff47
Dec 2012
#7
I would like to hear from more professionals - what should be done with these patients?
socialindependocrat
Dec 2012
#12
So, even if we could better the treatment, all it takes is one a month and we've lost the game.
socialindependocrat
Dec 2012
#71
There have been no hallucinations or delusions reported. But he might have some of the other criteri
Michigan Alum
Dec 2012
#20
Evidently Adam stopped talking to his father in 2010 from what I read a while ago
Fumesucker
Dec 2012
#19
Big freaking baby! They should not work in mental health. I say this as a mental health professional
Michigan Alum
Dec 2012
#16
Access to weapons, drugs, and vulnerable members of society restricted. nt
napoleon_in_rags
Dec 2012
#64
So you think you could have prevented every one of these shooters given the opportunity?
dkf
Dec 2012
#52
Society is always looking for someone to blame after some a horrific event.
Lone_Star_Dem
Dec 2012
#18
I wonder what people who treat cancer victims are saying? They are just as violent n/t
Cetacea
Dec 2012
#29
Yes, that's another thing you said that makes me furious. 99.9999999999999999999% of "mentally ill"
Happyhippychick
Dec 2012
#46
Don't take it personally. "Mental illness" is just another ridiculous fall back excuse
cbdo2007
Dec 2012
#59
I think the vast majority of mental health professionals would agree with you 100%
The empressof all
Dec 2012
#60