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Segami

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:12 PM Dec 2012

Nancy Pelosi Predicts 'Democrats Will Stick With The President' On Fiscal Cliff Deal. REALLY? [View all]




Particularly upsetting to progressives is the fact that Obama campaigned against cutting Social Security benefits and in favor of extending the Bush tax cuts on income above $250,000.

Obama, according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), had also previously told fiscal cliff negotiators that "Social Security is not going to be part of this."

That, clearly, turned out to not be the case.







WASHINGTON -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is convinced her fellow Democrats will get behind the White House's latest "fiscal cliff" deal that cuts Social Security benefits and increases taxes on the middle class. Others in the party, however, hedged on the likelihood of that provision passing with a majority of Democratic votes. President Barack Obama's latest offer in the fiscal cliff negotiations would allow the payroll tax holiday to expire, meaning middle-class workers will see smaller paychecks in 2013. It also proposes a Social Security reform known as "chained CPI" that would reduce the benefits senior citizens receive through Social Security.



Additionally, Obama's latest offer would permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes of less than $400,000. Previously, the president had insisted that taxes increase on families with income above $250,000. Despite these changes, Pelosi said she could convince her caucus to get behind such a plan, if need be "Do you think you could sell it to your caucus?" MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell asked Pelosi in an interview on Tuesday. "I do," replied Pelosi, adding, "Yes, the Democrats will stick with the president -- and maybe not every single one of them."



Pelosi certainly knows the temperature of her caucus better than any other lawmaker. And if she predicts that chained CPI could make it through, the likelihood is that she knows she can rally the votes to get it through. But other top officials were holding off on judgment for the time being.



- In a comment to HuffPost, Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said, "We had an election, and the voters sent a message to Congress to focus on jobs and fairness -- not cutting benefits for people who have worked all their lives and are now making ends meet on fixed incomes. The formula we use to adjust cost-of-living changes for seniors needs to reflect the real costs they face, not the budgetary fantasies of Washington." Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) called chained CPI "a benefit cut -– pure and simple" in a statement on Tuesday. Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said it was "a Beltway fig leaf that I will never support." Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said "at this stage [it] is the wrong way to go." Progressive advocacy groups such as CREDO, MoveOn, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Social Security Works all responded to the president's latest offer saying Social Security cuts were unacceptable. Durbin, however, also told HuffPost a few weeks ago that he would be willing to consider chained CPI "in a much broader context, not by itself."






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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/nancy-pelosi-fiscal-cliff_n_2324042.html
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the deal will still be 1000000X better than romneys.. SCliberal091294 Dec 2012 #1
I'm afraid that that is not good enough. Not by a long shot. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #2
How long have you been calling Obama a liar? Right around four years, eh? MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #4
If its not a lie then what would you call it? Segami Dec 2012 #5
a change in CPI is not a benefit cut. That is a fact. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #6
Well, 2014 will be the judge of it all. Segami Dec 2012 #10
If inflation is higher than the COLA thats a cut from current benefits DJ13 Dec 2012 #11
it's cruel; many seniors are struggling and the colas are pathetic as is; amborin Dec 2012 #16
Growth is slowed, which could be offset by significantly reduced health care costs. nt patrice Dec 2012 #28
If 10s of thousands out of my pocket isn't a CUT what s it? daa Dec 2012 #35
Oh, have you been keeping track of my posts? I think not. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #7
Did you read the OP? It appears now that Pelosi is going along with these cuts to SS which means sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #46
Agreed Liberalynn Dec 2012 #21
Romney is a NON ISSUE! Obama is not running again, and has support of 78% of the people! SugarShack Dec 2012 #14
Who told you they don't pay their fair share? I certainly pay a lot in taxes. limousineliberal Dec 2012 #39
Yeah, the top 1% pay 40% of all taxes........ socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #45
What do you mean by 'poorer people'? sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #47
And much better than the deal we would have gotten in 2011 democrattotheend Dec 2012 #15
Did we win or not? We now have to rely on the Senate Dems who have a majority which they got in sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #48
not even close to justifying obama stabbing us n the back yet again bowens43 Dec 2012 #20
Romney didn't win! Rocky888 Dec 2012 #30
...says the politician who couldn't even hold onto her House leftstreet Dec 2012 #3
If the Democrats in the House "stick with the President" on this,... MANative Dec 2012 #8
Your not the only one newfie11 Dec 2012 #32
Great idea democrattotheend Dec 2012 #38
And I'm supposed to reward them with more support when they cave on the most... MANative Dec 2012 #42
There is no deal. ProSense Dec 2012 #9
+1 DJ13 Dec 2012 #13
Prosense, that is Boehner's deal. What about Obama's sellout plan? Is this the correct thread? SugarShack Dec 2012 #18
There is no deal. Boehner's ProSense Dec 2012 #19
I am reading the Huff Post article the same way you are Sugar Shack Liberalynn Dec 2012 #23
She wouldn't put impeachment on the table...but seniors? That's different! forestpath Dec 2012 #12
This is NOT ABOUT Nancy! This is Obama's plan he gave to Boner! SugarShack Dec 2012 #17
I know it's Obama's plan. That doesn't preclude my being disgusted by Pelosi's eager forestpath Dec 2012 #22
agreed Liberalynn Dec 2012 #24
I have no doubt they want to cut SS, too. forestpath Dec 2012 #25
You are probably right Liberalynn Dec 2012 #33
If we just give the Republicans one more chance, I'm sure they will become very reasonable BlueStreak Dec 2012 #26
LOL! Segami Dec 2012 #27
You're right. It is doubtful Harry will stand against them either. Liberalynn Dec 2012 #34
If roles were reversed with Republicans winning the 2012 WH hosting a Segami Dec 2012 #43
On that much, we agree. :-) patrice Dec 2012 #36
2014 will not be pretty if they touch SS. Little Star Dec 2012 #29
What happened to all of that cheerleading for "There is no fiscal cliff, said Krugman, patrice Dec 2012 #31
End ALL Bush Tax Cuts. Raise the SS Cap. Close Loopholes. Raise bottom of the top tax bracket. patrice Dec 2012 #37
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #40
This Nancy Pelosi??!!! bvar22 Dec 2012 #41
Then the Democrats can move on without me. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #44
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