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Fumesucker

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60. Ever read the Bible?

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:03 PM

Dec 2012

It's chock full of really horrible violence, often couched as being the will of God.

As one tiny example, in II Kings Elijah is mocked by some children and God sends two bears to rip forty two of them to shreds for disrespecting His prophet.

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I don't think the problem is so much the guns as the culture of violence. [View all] Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 OP

But that's much too difficult to do. Tansy_Gold Dec 2012 #1

I used guns as a kid with my dad upaloopa Dec 2012 #2

Absolutely I see the difference. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #6

Yep. Today people pretend to be killing machines, not hunters. It's demented. reformist2 Dec 2012 #39

How old are you? I'm 42 and my GRANDPARENTS had all manner of automatic weaponry. Edweird Dec 2012 #80

I'm 66 and i had a m-14 and a 1911 in Vietnam in 1967 and 1968. You don't go hunting with your dad upaloopa Dec 2012 #111

I think that 20 years of hate and shock radio are the most to blame lunatica Dec 2012 #3

Who do the hate and shock radio assholes advocate for? The NRA and gun nutz Care Acutely Dec 2012 #10

They've certainly had a hugely negative impact. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #13

That is certainly a part of it. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #25

Well said. n/t Laelth Dec 2012 #108

Absolutely and that they have been PAID to spew their Disinfomation makes it all the KoKo Dec 2012 #115

Yes, all of these things are to blame. alarimer Dec 2012 #43

That makes sense to me. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #107

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #4

No, this is just an audition. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #8

My elementary background was the same as yours. Downwinder Dec 2012 #21

But the Westerns were fantasy-land, Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #29

That is where we diverge. Downwinder Dec 2012 #41

In WWII we were also dropping paratroopers, who-- Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #48

Well, you westerners always were kinda nuts. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #49

That was uncalled for. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #36

No, he's a gun apologist. You can't have such a conversation with them. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #46

I didn't see him apologizing for guns... ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #63

So just continue to stick your fingers in your ears... Lightbulb_on Dec 2012 #75

That's not at all what I got from his post. MH1 Dec 2012 #77

Agreed JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #57

WTF? What kind of BULLSHIT is that? Skip Intro Dec 2012 #62

I'd say it's both. Fearless Dec 2012 #5

Yes. Guns are too easy for the Cha Dec 2012 #7

It's a multi-faceted issue. The fetish of armed violence is one part. DirkGently Dec 2012 #9

I think you make a lot of good points. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #14

It is an excellent book TomClash Dec 2012 #23

Sounds like an interesting book. DirkGently Dec 2012 #50

I think the causes & symptoms are all entangled Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #54

they use these "games" riverwalker Dec 2012 #76

People feel marginalized... and they are... and they don't have the tools to cope. dogknob Dec 2012 #11

+10000 frostfern Dec 2012 #34

"Turn down your car stereo or Ima shoot you" Myrina Dec 2012 #113

the mind set and the games socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #12

Some of us were talking about the video games today. OnionPatch Dec 2012 #69

We want to eliminate war and we train our kids with video war games. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #72

The problem is western civilization's perverted concept of masculinity - CrispyQ Dec 2012 #15

I agree. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #18

well thanks JR, isn't it funny that the people who don't want to discuss violence tend to bully bettyellen Dec 2012 #66

Thank you. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #92

Well...that's an interesting point to think about... KoKo Dec 2012 #114

I think there is some kind of cultural malfunction limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #16

Part of it is the RW promotion of chronic rage. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #28

Is this rage, or psychosis? DirkGently Dec 2012 #51

The problem from a scientific perspective Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #53

It is our society... frostfern Dec 2012 #17

Yes...it seems the "shooter" was pretty isolated in his affluent neighborhood where KoKo Dec 2012 #119

I disagree. Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #19

Guns are still part of the problem TomClash Dec 2012 #20

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #22

Nice post. Why someone wants to kill is a problem more than the weapons used to do it. Logical Dec 2012 #24

Mental health should be job #1 Separation Dec 2012 #26

Honestly? It's both. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #27

So address ALL issues, including gun control. randome Dec 2012 #30

That's fine with me. I just didn't want to see gun control touted Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #33

Violent crime and twisted antiheroes are pervasive in entertainment today. reformist2 Dec 2012 #31

Ever read the Bible? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #60

you have to make the effort to open up that thing and know how to read... Whisp Dec 2012 #67

My dear Jackpine nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #32

I don't know that you can prove your point about video games Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #47

Yes, there are differences in the culture nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #55

I think my essential point is that the problem is complex, and Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #56

In that we both fully agree nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59

The Japanese Culture seems one of Acceptance of "Events" We nuked them KoKo Dec 2012 #117

I like the way you said that. DirkGently Dec 2012 #52

It isn't just TV, movies and games. It is also our government. modem77 Dec 2012 #121

I'm not so sure Major Nikon Dec 2012 #35

Canada is close to us in ownership nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #37

They also don't allow handguns. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #38

Except for very specific and limited cases nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #40

Canada has far more restrictions on guns Major Nikon Dec 2012 #42

It does nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #45

That's been my point the whole time but no one wants to talk about that davidn3600 Dec 2012 #44

The last two paragraphs-- JohnnyLib2 Dec 2012 #58

And the "culture of violence" has nothing to do with the fact that all those guns are out there? Bonobo Dec 2012 #61

It really can't be just the presence of guns. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #64

That pretty much parallels the experience I reported in the OP. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #74

I have a 357 ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #98

I don't know if I can explain this very well, but what I see is the eruption of the "shadow" out of scarletwoman Dec 2012 #65

"U.S. mass culture must surely be one of the most determinedly denialist of any society on earth" Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #73

Excellent analysis. nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #78

That's a dark truth worthy of an OP or 20. DirkGently Dec 2012 #79

"I don't know if I can explain this very well…" Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #85

Great post. n/t Jamastiene Dec 2012 #90

Ah, a fellow Jungian! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #93

Not to mention one of your fellow Minnesotans. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #99

Food for thought. Hugin Dec 2012 #94

+1...And I wonder if the more sensitive in our population sees Cognitive Dissonance KoKo Dec 2012 #110

Cognitive & emotional overload. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #112

Look at what all of the recent events have in common WinniSkipper Dec 2012 #68

Kicking this because this is a thoughtful post worthy of more discussion. (nt) scarletwoman Dec 2012 #70

Completely 100% fucking wrong. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #71

Machine guns used to be sold mail order. Edweird Dec 2012 #82

But isn't owning lots of guns a part of the culture of violence??? reformist2 Dec 2012 #81

Not really. ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #100

"Violent media" isn't the problem...... AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #83

"97% of people who do play violent video games are just fine" Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #84

Look, Jackpine, I know.... AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #87

Yeah, it reminded me of the "Heavy metal is satanic" argument I heard over GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #106

I play a game, Civilization, where I am razing whole cities and slaughtering the populace. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #95

"I don't feel any urge to actually commit genocide or mass murder." Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #96

More than 97% of people who own guns never shoot anybody. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #101

Since this OP seems to be a rational discussion of the situation, I'll posit this... Hugin Dec 2012 #86

OK, I'm sort of an environmental-genetic interactionist Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #88

It is of course as all things are... Relative. Hugin Dec 2012 #89

Well, at least it keeps us off the street. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #97

True. Hugin Dec 2012 #103

Guns are just as common per capital in Canada than in the US... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #91

Not sure about the "culture of violence" argument . . . hatrack Dec 2012 #102

Agreed. I think this is more about people feeling they have no voice GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #105

Good post Jim Warren Dec 2012 #104

Culture and almost worship of violence in Media, Movies, even Commercials these days.. KoKo Dec 2012 #109

Allow me to translate quaker bill Dec 2012 #116

But, the guns got more and more sophisticated and took over the primitive ways that KoKo Dec 2012 #118

My point was quaker bill Dec 2012 #120

But how are you going to get guns out of the culture? Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #122

It would be easier than fixing "the culture of violence" quaker bill Dec 2012 #123