V.I. Lenin distinguished between a 'class in itself' and a 'class for itself,' by (Reply #70)

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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:47 AM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

70. V.I. Lenin distinguished between a 'class in itself' and a 'class for itself,' by

which he implied that even though the proletariat may not always act in its own best interests ('class for itself'), it nonetheless constitutes a distinct economic class ('class in itself'). So the challenge for all true progressives, imho, is to help transform 'class in itself' to 'class for itself.' The accomplishment of that goal or even efforts made to achieve it will have the 1% absolutely terrified, I assure you.

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73 replies	Author	Time	Post
"If We Did Not Share in the Prosperity, Why Should We Have to Share in the Sacrifice?" [View all]	PETRUS	Dec 2012	OP
Plus, we bailed out the 1%ers, now it's their turn	CJCRANE	Dec 2012	#1
ABSOLUTELY!	GatorLarry	Dec 2012	#48
Pay their fair share? Never Gonna Happen.	SammyWinstonJack	Dec 2012	#52
Just an aside, we are still bailing them out, and will be while they ask for more from others.	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#51
As the song goes	dipsydoodle	Dec 2012	#2
Sometimes I think Al really doesn't understand American Socialism.	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#3
I think you didn't understand the quote.	truebluegreen	Dec 2012	#18
I took that for sarcasm.	Jackpine Radical	Dec 2012	#29
I guess it's time to go back to the smilie icons!	HereSince1628	Dec 2012	#33
<sigh> Second time today.	truebluegreen	Dec 2012	#37
Because we don't have the political power of the rich and super-rich.	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#4
Actually, we hold all the cards, but we do not know how to wield our power.	Coyotl	Dec 2012	#11
That's VERY true. If EVERYONE got off their dead ass and	ProfessionalLeftist	Dec 2012	#17
Agreed.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#26
Three words: education, education, education	Coyotl	Dec 2012	#38
Great idea.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#42
What we "need" is to stand up and demand what we want, shoulder-to-shoulder. That's not	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#57
I don't understand what you are...	99Forever	Dec 2012	#59
Occupy was a great first start	dreamnightwind	Dec 2012	#64
Thanks.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#68
We are ignored because we don't use the power we have, because we	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#73
Actually we don't. A "democracy" where Republican politicians	AnotherMcIntosh	Dec 2012	#22
Exactly. We're a center-left population ..........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#24
Actually we do, because we elected them.	Coyotl	Dec 2012	#39
Won't work. The system is set up now........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#49
V.I. Lenin distinguished between a 'class in itself' and a 'class for itself,' by	coalition_unwilling	Dec 2012	#70
VERY nice point coalition..........	socialist_n_TN	Dec 2012	#71
All we have to do is organize.	sabrina 1	Dec 2012	#62
k&r	Starry Messenger	Dec 2012	#5
Du rec. Nt	xchrom	Dec 2012	#6
Yep!	Warren Religion	Dec 2012	#60
Thank you, Reverend Al. You've nailed it.	Arkansas Granny	Dec 2012	#7
+1,000.	freshwest	Dec 2012	#35
Headline of the day	MotherPetrie	Dec 2012	#8
Fucking A for Big Al !!	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#9
Much more than just a headline. A fair reality check.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#10
+1,000 to what you said. Well said.	freshwest	Dec 2012	#36
Iceland jailed the banksters. See where I'm going with this?	Fire Walk With Me	Dec 2012	#12
Perfect!	etherealtruth	Dec 2012	#13
Tax the wealthy until they pay down the debt they ran up under Bush, incl interest!	on point	Dec 2012	#14
We do to share!	JEB	Dec 2012	#15
because the delusionally-loud-mealy-mouthed fortunate say so	fascisthunter	Dec 2012	#16
Workers took "concessions" for 40 years.	JohnnyRingo	Dec 2012	#19
See, that is ANOTHER good point here, that's often overlooked.	calimary	Dec 2012	#72
+1000 nt	LiberalEsto	Dec 2012	#20
That Al is correct about this, is beyond dispute.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#21
Well put, Rev. Al!	SalviaBlue	Dec 2012	#23
Except that I wouldn't call the 2% tax rate reverting back to 39% a sacrifice. nt	Honeycombe8	Dec 2012	#25
DURec	leftstreet	Dec 2012	#27
Great soundbite! How about some others	senseandsensibility	Dec 2012	#28
Now	Harry_Scrote	Dec 2012	#30
Super K & R!	SoapBox	Dec 2012	#31
AMEN!!!!	teewrex	Dec 2012	#32
A big hand and a big rec for Reverend Al!	Brigid	Dec 2012	#34
The problem with this headline is that it ignors the fact that the 99% have done ALL	ReallyIAmAnOptimist	Dec 2012	#40
That is a really excellent point	mindwalker_i	Dec 2012	#41
Not only did we not SHARE in the prosperity,	woo me with science	Dec 2012	#43
Revs got a point.	DaniDubois	Dec 2012	#44
FuckinA Al!	progressoid	Dec 2012	#45
Good shot, Al.	moondust	Dec 2012	#46
Share in the sacrifice? They need to sacrifice their freedom behind bars!	ErikJ	Dec 2012	#47
YES!!!!!!!	Voice for Peace	Dec 2012	#50
The system is rigged so the rich get richer no matter what	liberal N proud	Dec 2012	#53
Good question. He should ask his buddy in the Whitehouse to commit this.	limpyhobbler	Dec 2012	#54
Profound question indeed.	burnsei sensei	Dec 2012	#55
Tell It Rev !!! - K & R !!!	WillyT	Dec 2012	#56
My thoughts exactly. Every time I hear about sacrifice, I ask when	Cleita	Dec 2012	#58
"Lately" Al seems to comes up with simple to the point statements	former-republican	Dec 2012	#61
A fucking men, Rev....	WCGreen	Dec 2012	#63
The Lessons we learned from Romney's tax return	stuffmatters	Dec 2012	#65
Hey, I second Cleita's suggestion.	love_katz	Dec 2012	#66
$100 Billion Revenue Lost Per Year Due to Corporate Off Shoring	Iggy	Dec 2012	#67
agreed. are you listening president obama? nt	tomp	Dec 2012	#69

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