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In reply to the discussion: Fighting feminism: let’s get practical [View all]Cerridwen
(13,258 posts)6. "The Problem with Gay Rights"
Also found on the site mentioned in the OP. The difference between the Orwellian named "men's rights/father's rights" advocates is that they frequently display homophobia and racism in addition to their cries that "feminists" have ruined their world. Here is an example of homophobia presented as "concern" for the "poor gay men" who have been victimized by the "evil feminists". I presume we can call this ~straight-splaining~.
If you have spent any real amount of time reading the articles, and in particular the comments in mens movement forums, then you are aware of an often anti-homosexual attitude that has been prevalent for quite some time.
On a political level, some of the resentment is understandable. Gay activists have aligned themselves with feminists, and, while marching in misandric lockstep, have draped themselves in victim couture and made their grab for special government considerations. The resultant draconian intrusions and bullying on behalf of gays and other special interest groups is a core issue in the mens movement, and for good reason.
Heterosexual males are the societal default for the role of perpetrator and are subsequently the identified enemy for whatever victims du jour have the stage at the moment. Just more misandry in a culture that seems to run on it these days.
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And this leaves us with what we see in the gay rights movement today- a dissonant ideology that is designed to attack the very nature of who they are. For in the end, whether you are an avowed deconstructionist of traditional masculinity, or an equally fervent traditionalist that thinks real men sit tall in the saddle and lay their coats in the mud for women to walk on, gay men will remain what they are- men. And to whatever extent they seek to include themselves in the rights of men in the modern Zeitgeist, they will invariably suffer the consequences for that pursuit.
On a political level, some of the resentment is understandable. Gay activists have aligned themselves with feminists, and, while marching in misandric lockstep, have draped themselves in victim couture and made their grab for special government considerations. The resultant draconian intrusions and bullying on behalf of gays and other special interest groups is a core issue in the mens movement, and for good reason.
Heterosexual males are the societal default for the role of perpetrator and are subsequently the identified enemy for whatever victims du jour have the stage at the moment. Just more misandry in a culture that seems to run on it these days.
<snip>
And this leaves us with what we see in the gay rights movement today- a dissonant ideology that is designed to attack the very nature of who they are. For in the end, whether you are an avowed deconstructionist of traditional masculinity, or an equally fervent traditionalist that thinks real men sit tall in the saddle and lay their coats in the mud for women to walk on, gay men will remain what they are- men. And to whatever extent they seek to include themselves in the rights of men in the modern Zeitgeist, they will invariably suffer the consequences for that pursuit.
There's much more to the article. http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-problem-with-gay-rights/
As with many of their "arguments", there is a scintilla of truth buried within the article. That scintilla would be that the "dominant society" frequently attacks gay men as not "man(ly)" enough; as defined by the dominant culture. But, in the twisted world that is "men's rights", rather than change the dominant world view of "manly", gay men should instead regain their right to be as "manly" as the "manly, hetero men" and, of course, goes on to defend some sort of perverse caricature of "manly."
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actually most men have had very few rights throughout history and today
arely staircase
Dec 2012
#27
even the very few had the right to beat and rape their wives. there have always
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#52
yes, they do. then to be told is is NOT a weapon to use against women. just fun, really
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#54
It sounds like Rush was a charter member of their club. He's been on the air with this for years.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#83
"[F]eminism is a fight for equal rights for women... if someone didn't already have more rights,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Dec 2012
#89
american women the worst. no sane man can deal witha n american woman. need the asian or russian
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#60
It's one of those things where there's a tiny kernel that gets exploded into a false ideology
jeff47
Dec 2012
#75
and the whine about bully ... because gays or women speak up when they promote the use of shaming
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#64
I think we're getting to the real reason they don't advocate against violence now
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#73
maybe an imbalance for average couples though i have seen that addressed. for the wealthy,
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#65
and one has the power and the other doesnt. point being, it is important to listen to the radical
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#67
and the nets ability to allow it to feed and grow and infect our young. just like the racism and
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#66
Eeeew, gross! Now I feel like I need a shower. They're like the KKK of the gender spectrum.
Zorra
Dec 2012
#17
excellent post, bb! We need more education about what the Mens Rights Movement is up to.
CTyankee
Dec 2012
#22
Aww thanks! It was pretty tiring being without heat or electricity for two weeks but I'm
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#79
Katrina is one of the saddest and most shameful moments in our history. I wish America had
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#86
here's what they have to say about the website we are discussing here in the OP
boston bean
Dec 2012
#48
all one needs do is read the titles of the articles in voice for men. wow. i did a post on that one
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#68
One of the biggest traps society falls in is to fight for rights as individual groups...
Comrade_McKenzie
Dec 2012
#46
yup everyone finds their own cross to carry without realising that everyone bears a burden
loli phabay
Dec 2012
#47
this is the norm these days, women working and contributing equally whether she takes time
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#80
"We need to name, shame and ridicule the male collaborators" so lets not pretend this is not used as
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#51
this is not the fringe, they are not harmless and they do have power over our lives. look at the rw
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#69
Wondering where on this spectrum this comment I found last night falls under.
freshwest
Dec 2012
#81
fundamentalistly misogynist??? they cant go back. we are not going back. so no....
seabeyond
Dec 2012
#84