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Cerridwen

(13,258 posts)
6. "The Problem with Gay Rights"
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:24 AM
Dec 2012

Also found on the site mentioned in the OP. The difference between the Orwellian named "men's rights/father's rights" advocates is that they frequently display homophobia and racism in addition to their cries that "feminists" have ruined their world. Here is an example of homophobia presented as "concern" for the "poor gay men" who have been victimized by the "evil feminists". I presume we can call this ~straight-splaining~.

If you have spent any real amount of time reading the articles, and in particular the comments in men’s movement forums, then you are aware of an often anti-homosexual attitude that has been prevalent for quite some time.

On a political level, some of the resentment is understandable. Gay activists have aligned themselves with feminists, and, while marching in misandric lockstep, have draped themselves in victim couture and made their grab for special government considerations. The resultant draconian intrusions and bullying on behalf of gays and other special interest groups is a core issue in the men’s movement, and for good reason.

Heterosexual males are the societal default for the role of perpetrator and are subsequently the identified enemy for whatever victims du jour have the stage at the moment. Just more misandry in a culture that seems to run on it these days.

<snip>

And this leaves us with what we see in the “gay rights” movement today- a dissonant ideology that is designed to attack the very nature of who they are. For in the end, whether you are an avowed deconstructionist of traditional masculinity, or an equally fervent traditionalist that thinks real men sit tall in the saddle and lay their coats in the mud for women to walk on, gay men will remain what they are- men. And to whatever extent they seek to include themselves in the “rights“ of men in the modern Zeitgeist, they will invariably suffer the consequences for that pursuit.


There's much more to the article. http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-problem-with-gay-rights/

As with many of their "arguments", there is a scintilla of truth buried within the article. That scintilla would be that the "dominant society" frequently attacks gay men as not "man(ly)" enough; as defined by the dominant culture. But, in the twisted world that is "men's rights", rather than change the dominant world view of "manly", gay men should instead regain their right to be as "manly" as the "manly, hetero men" and, of course, goes on to defend some sort of perverse caricature of "manly."



Men's Rights? atreides1 Dec 2012 #1
actually most men have had very few rights throughout history and today arely staircase Dec 2012 #27
even the very few had the right to beat and rape their wives. there have always seabeyond Dec 2012 #52
"Rule of thumb" LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #56
exactly. and that is not so much out of our history today, either. nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #62
absolutely arely staircase Dec 2012 #77
+10000000000000 mzteris Dec 2012 #30
they got the naming and shaming thing down pat n/t irisblue Dec 2012 #2
sad thing is, around here, mzteris Dec 2012 #32
yes, they do. then to be told is is NOT a weapon to use against women. just fun, really seabeyond Dec 2012 #54
It sounds like Rush was a charter member of their club. He's been on the air with this for years. freshwest Dec 2012 #83
MRA's are like all other regressive movements concerned that sufrommich Dec 2012 #3
This here backs up your point... boston bean Dec 2012 #4
wow. just wow. BB, this is interesting for a sunday morning read. hmmm, nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #55
It's absolutely identical to the White Power movement Aerows Dec 2012 #5
Also, what I am seeing is how this discourse is given boston bean Dec 2012 #8
They don't just hate feminists they hate all women. iemitsu Dec 2012 #74
That was the first thing that came to my mind etherealtruth Dec 2012 #15
Of course it is, the MRA's use of the term "white knighters" for sufrommich Dec 2012 #16
I noticed that as well. boston bean Dec 2012 #23
"[F]eminism is a fight for equal rights for women... if someone didn't already have more rights, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #89
sort of arely staircase Dec 2012 #28
american women the worst. no sane man can deal witha n american woman. need the asian or russian seabeyond Dec 2012 #60
They mean foreign women who are impoverished enough to trade their dignity bettyellen Dec 2012 #72
It's one of those things where there's a tiny kernel that gets exploded into a false ideology jeff47 Dec 2012 #75
+1 nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #88
It does sound just like white supremacist talk. yardwork Dec 2012 #87
"The Problem with Gay Rights" Cerridwen Dec 2012 #6
There is usually one scintilla of truth boston bean Dec 2012 #11
Yep. That's why I try to point it out Cerridwen Dec 2012 #18
and the whine about bully ... because gays or women speak up when they promote the use of shaming seabeyond Dec 2012 #64
I think we're getting to the real reason they don't advocate against violence now bettyellen Dec 2012 #73
If I remember correctly Aerows Dec 2012 #7
I always assume it's a combination of mother issues and low self esteem. Squinch Dec 2012 #12
maybe an imbalance for average couples though i have seen that addressed. for the wealthy, seabeyond Dec 2012 #65
I wish more people would recognize the danger inherent in these Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #9
People, progressives, feminists boston bean Dec 2012 #14
That's not true about the SPLC.. Upton Dec 2012 #26
finish the quote up: boston bean Dec 2012 #29
Fine...but the fact remains Upton Dec 2012 #31
Well, it might just be because of articles like the one posted in the OP boston bean Dec 2012 #34
I see...time to change the subject.. Upton Dec 2012 #37
I was on topic. boston bean Dec 2012 #38
radicals and zealots on both side of the argument are as bad as each other loli phabay Dec 2012 #44
and one has the power and the other doesnt. point being, it is important to listen to the radical seabeyond Dec 2012 #67
Yeah, no. I call BS on the false moral equivalency.. left coaster Dec 2012 #71
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #57
agreed La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #63
and the nets ability to allow it to feed and grow and infect our young. just like the racism and seabeyond Dec 2012 #66
Holy crap: "catastrophic impact of feminism in the modern era" Squinch Dec 2012 #10
Yeah ... etherealtruth Dec 2012 #13
Eeeew, gross! Now I feel like I need a shower. They're like the KKK of the gender spectrum. Zorra Dec 2012 #17
We need to educate ourselves on their arguments. boston bean Dec 2012 #19
It's not any different than gay rights Aerows Dec 2012 #20
Great point! boston bean Dec 2012 #21
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #58
excellent post, bb! We need more education about what the Mens Rights Movement is up to. CTyankee Dec 2012 #22
Sexist morons. MineralMan Dec 2012 #24
I'm not so sure about that, mineralman. boston bean Dec 2012 #25
And I'm not suggesting that you're saying that. MineralMan Dec 2012 #33
I am going to disagree with you. boston bean Dec 2012 #36
Actually they are helping to tank VAWA. Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #42
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #59
look around. mzteris Dec 2012 #35
The last couple of weeks have shown ... etherealtruth Dec 2012 #41
+1 LiberalLoner Dec 2012 #61
Seriously...Who said they "represent most men"? bettyellen Dec 2012 #76
Off topic Aerows Dec 2012 #78
Aww thanks! It was pretty tiring being without heat or electricity for two weeks but I'm bettyellen Dec 2012 #79
I went through Katrina Aerows Dec 2012 #82
Katrina is one of the saddest and most shameful moments in our history. I wish America had bettyellen Dec 2012 #86
Fun times Tsiyu Dec 2012 #39
MRA = mens rights assholes. KG Dec 2012 #40
More from the SPLC: sufrommich Dec 2012 #43
More from the SPLC: sufrommich Dec 2012 #45
here's what they have to say about the website we are discussing here in the OP boston bean Dec 2012 #48
all one needs do is read the titles of the articles in voice for men. wow. i did a post on that one seabeyond Dec 2012 #68
One of the biggest traps society falls in is to fight for rights as individual groups... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #46
yup everyone finds their own cross to carry without realising that everyone bears a burden loli phabay Dec 2012 #47
There has never been a group that fought for equal rights sufrommich Dec 2012 #50
Back in the bad old 70's... WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2012 #49
this is the norm these days, women working and contributing equally whether she takes time bettyellen Dec 2012 #80
"We need to name, shame and ridicule the male collaborators" so lets not pretend this is not used as seabeyond Dec 2012 #51
Women's rights are Human Rights. JEB Dec 2012 #53
this is not the fringe, they are not harmless and they do have power over our lives. look at the rw seabeyond Dec 2012 #69
Hey! Quit bitchin'. scratcho Dec 2012 #70
Wondering where on this spectrum this comment I found last night falls under. freshwest Dec 2012 #81
fundamentalistly misogynist??? they cant go back. we are not going back. so no.... seabeyond Dec 2012 #84
Why so frigging hateful, though? I'd fear for any female within this guy's range. It's not a matter freshwest Dec 2012 #85
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