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Larkspur

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32. Here's another article on this incident...
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:39 PM
Dec 2012

Jenkins breaks silence on Seeberg allegations
http://www.wsbt.com/news/wsbt-jenkins-breaks-silence-on-seeb-122610,0,1148738.story
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When a campus police officer interviewed Seeberg on Sept. 1, the officer was made aware of the young woman’s history of depression and the fact that she was taking Effexor, according to Notre Dame spokesman Dennis Brown. Effexor is a medication used for treatment of depression and anxiety. Seeberg’s suicide came nine days after she reported to Notre Dame Security Police that a student athlete had touched her breasts while they were alone in his dormitory room. Under Indiana law, touching another person without consent for purposes of sexual gratification meets the definition of sexual battery, a felony.
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So it's most likely that this football player engaged in sexual foreplay, not sexual intercourse. Seeberg's statements imply this, not rape. But contrary to some bashing ND over this, there were witnesses with Seeberg around the time of the alleged sexual assault, but they and cell phone records conflict with Seeberg's account.


The prosecutor’s written explanation said Seeberg’s suicide made her statements to police inadmissible in court because they would be considered hearsay evidence. Dvorak also said Seeberg’s written statement conflicted with the accounts of three other students and that the cell phone records were inconsistent with Seeberg’s claims.

Lizzy Seeberg’s recollections of Aug. 31 are detailed in her typed Sept. 5 statement, a copy of which was obtained by the South Bend Tribune.
The young woman said she and the player went to his room that evening, along with a male friend of the player’s and that friend’s girlfriend, who was also Seeberg’s friend, according to the statement. Seeberg wrote that it appeared as though the player and his friend were communicating with their cell phones shortly before the other couple abruptly left the room.

Alone with the player, Seeberg started feeling uncomfortable with the conversation. “I started feeling as though I was in danger,” she wrote. “I didn’t feel safe in his room.”

Seeberg wrote that she reached for her phone to text her female friend to come back but that the player stopped her. “He then proceeded to grab my face and started to kiss me. Tears started to roll down my face because I didn’t know what I should do and I was extremely scared,” she wrote.
He then touched her breasts and pulled down her tank top by the straps, Seeberg wrote. The incident ended when the player received a call or text on his cell phone and he “violently threw me off of him to the side,” she wrote.

About a minute later, the other couple returned to the room, according to the statement.

Seeberg wrote that she had consumed two beers that evening and that the player “forcibly told me to drink an open beer” when they were alone in his room. “Though I wouldn’t consider myself drunk, I definitely felt the effect of the three beers I had that night,” she wrote.

Seeberg’s account states she and the other male student each had beer that evening, but that neither her female friend nor the player had a drink.
Some media reports have stated Seeberg accused the player of raping her, but her statement makes no such claim.
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Gee I remember when the University of Alabama allowed boosters to provide prostitutes for Larkspur Dec 2012 #1
You don't think ND would cover up a sexual assault? Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #2
Even if they tried to cover up any crime, they can't control everything Larkspur Dec 2012 #30
Please. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #36
There cannot be rape convictions without charges. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #3
"Depression is a main cause of suicide" And how do you even know this young yellowcanine Dec 2012 #7
Maybe because that person is basing it on other articles and not joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9
I don't hate Notre Dame. I do hate cover ups of sexual assault. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #13
Yeah you do...this is one article of many... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #14
Of course you know me so you know better what I hate than what I do. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #20
Every article about ND isn't a hatchet job, Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #21
I have two favorite college football teams: The Univ. of Michigan Wolverines… MrScorpio Dec 2012 #4
Sour grapes from fans of second rate schools. joeybee12 Dec 2012 #5
Because of this ^^^^^ WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #6
I got into Holy Cross... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #8
Thanks for that.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #23
Loved that link, Will! hifiguy Dec 2012 #28
Melinda Henneberger is a Notre Dame alum. Nice try. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #10
Nice to know you know absolutely nothing about due process... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #11
What part of "due process" is served by bad mouthing a suicide victim? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #15
"The President was not there." yellowcanine Dec 2012 #19
One more thing, the articles alleges there were texts... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #12
There was no court of law because there were no charges. Pathetic yourself. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #17
What about the women who falsely accused the Duke Lacrosse team of rape? Larkspur Dec 2012 #48
I'm a Notre Dame alumna and strongly disagree with her Larkspur Dec 2012 #40
She clearly researched both cases. It was not a shoddy hit piece. Name one incorrect statement in yellowcanine Dec 2012 #45
Yes it was a shoddy column. Larkspur Dec 2012 #47
But you still haven't named one incorrect statement. So how is it shoddy? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #50
Wow!! Arrogant much? Ishoutandscream2 Dec 2012 #16
See post #6. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #18
Any Vanderbilt alums who happen by KamaAina Dec 2012 #33
I wish they would both lose ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #22
Well one is going to win unless the game is cancelled. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #24
Notre Dame is no different.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #25
Lou Holtz.....ancient history, though. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #26
I'm fully aware of that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #27
Yes, there is history but that doesn't mean a lot to the current team. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #29
Have we learned nothing from the Duke Lacrosse scandal? Larkspur Dec 2012 #31
And have we learned nothing from the Penn State Sandusky scandal? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #35
And there was no cover-up, and there was no rape. Larkspur Dec 2012 #39
The alleged rape was the second victim. Seeberg did not allege rape. You are obfuscating by yellowcanine Dec 2012 #44
No, I'm not obfuscating. Some shoddy writers call Seeberg's case rape because Larkspur Dec 2012 #49
"SOME shoddy writers" But not this writer (Melinda). So why bring it up here? yellowcanine Dec 2012 #51
I don't see much of a similarity between the two cases so far. pnwmom Dec 2012 #55
Here's another article on this incident... Larkspur Dec 2012 #32
Most of this does not address Melinda's allegations. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #34
Those issues were all addressed but ND haters want a scandal even if there isn't one Larkspur Dec 2012 #38
"Those issues were all addressed...." And why then are ND officials conducting a whispering yellowcanine Dec 2012 #43
What campaign against the women who died? Larkspur Dec 2012 #46
The one mentioned by Melinda from her personal experience. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #52
Oh, you mean that made-up campaign Larkspur Dec 2012 #53
Again with the assertions but not one example of an inaccurate statement in this particular column. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #54
Concerning cases of this sort ... radicalliberal Dec 2012 #56
WaPo writer *shocked* that big-time NCAA program covers up player crime... Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #37
Because school sports have been a sacred cow in this country for generations. radicalliberal Dec 2012 #57
It wasn't rape. It was investigated by the county prosecutor and no charges filed. Mr. Blue Sky Dec 2012 #41
There were two alleged victims. One was sexual assault. The other was rape. Why do ND boosters yellowcanine Dec 2012 #42
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