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HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:44 PM Dec 2012

That Incredibly Awkward Moment when People Discover that You are Socialist [View all]

One of the most annoying things about being a socialist in the United States is that people know jack-shit about socialism and yet they constantly feel the urge to confront you with the jack-shit that they know. And I do not mean “jack-shit” as in they are incapable of entering into a debate about the (dis)merits of the ideas of Eduard Bernstein. I mean jack-shit as in they have no fucking clue and, as a substitute for actually reading anything written by a socialist, prefer to fill the gaping holes in their brain about it with whatever the fuck they want.

In America, Obama is a representative of socialism. Yes, a guy who is arguably more conservative than most conservatives in Europe is sounding the death-knell of capitalism. Taxing cigarettes is socialist. Seizing private property to build a strip mall is socialist. Telling adult novelty stores that they cannot sell dildos and porn to elementary school children is socialist. The government doing any-fucking-thing is socialist. The problem is not only with conservative and libertarian nitwits either. Liberals do the same shit. The more sympathetic ones might offer up a few kind words and associate some of our favorite government-provided services with socialism. “Hey, you like the fire department, don’t you? Well, that is totally socialism in practice right there!” Sorry dude, it isn’t...

Thing is, and I think anyone who has been a socialist for some time has realized this, no one in situations like that really want to discuss what you believe, or counter your perspective, or whatever. Unless (maybe) you are doing shots with some PhD students, they don’t know what you believe. Also, the people that will approach you about it are usually not going to be those who want to learn, either. It is going to be the libertarian frat bro, the conservative... the “practical” liberal who thinks he is so “progressive” (I hate that word now) but becomes William F. Buckley when he starts talking to you, the first-generation American who has some sob story about her grandma’s goat being nationalized by “the Communists” or the girl who thinks Ayn Rand wrote books that have any sort of value beyond a convenient replacement for toilet paper in a post-apocalyptic world. I am sure some of you recognize these characters...

And as we well know, they have some really good material. I mean, REALLY good. I mean, come on: “It works on paper, but not in practice.” Dude. Fucking blew my mind!! I totally do not know what to say to that! You are an intellectual GIANT! I certainly cannot respond to that gem, being as solid and well-thought out as it is (that’s what she said… wait… what?). They also tend to bring up the following bullshit:

1) the Soviet Union, the atrocities of Stalin/Mao/whoever...

3) the idea that you are being a hypocrite for buying things. Obviously, socialists are like religious ascetics. You don’t like money and you are not supposed to participate in the capitalist market economy that is imposed on us all, duh!

4) how it is so wrong to “steal” from the awesome, totally cool, super human rich people and give handouts to the moochers (because socialism is really about getting back at the cool kids and you are a jeal jeal hater of successful people),

5) how you suck because you don’t believe in private property, which (OF COURSE!) they take to mean you think everyone should be forced to share their shoes, and so on....

http://my.firedoglake.com/luciusjunius/2012/12/02/that-incredibly-awkward-moment-when-people-discover-that-you-are-socialist/
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k&r nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #1
I get weird looks when people find out I belong to the ACLU. Always a WTF moment for me. Like RKP5637 Dec 2012 #2
Side effect of us slipping into the dark ages Hydra Dec 2012 #7
Yep, I often think back about the same, and here they are, making it just just like "them" they RKP5637 Dec 2012 #21
Kick to find it later n/t hootinholler Dec 2012 #3
Believe it or not, in this day and age, Xipe Totec Dec 2012 #4
Du rec. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #5
Unfortunately, many Americans think with their emotions and those emotions are 70 percent erroneous. BlueJazz Dec 2012 #6
100% spot on. DireStrike Dec 2012 #8
Oh, this rings a bell. nt msanthrope Dec 2012 #9
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #10
I went through my grandfather's drawers and found out he was a member of the Socialist Party -LOL LeftInTX Dec 2012 #11
They Really Believe they are the Majority.. redstatebluegirl Dec 2012 #12
You think that is bad. SkyIsGrey Dec 2012 #13
Five years ago I was having a discussion at Thanksgiving with my family on how I thought Cleita Dec 2012 #14
No wonder some people hate holiday gatherings. n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #41
Went through four years of college in a so called Christian school being called a socialist. I jwirr Dec 2012 #15
Everyone in the MILITARY, using the taxpayer subsidized PX and TRICARE are SOCIALISTS! nt TheBlackAdder Dec 2012 #16
America As A Whole, And 1ProudAtheist Dec 2012 #17
It's worse than you say. I did look for the proper definitions in Google, and those bastards jtuck004 Dec 2012 #24
Great article. silverweb Dec 2012 #18
State socialism (Communism) can only work small scale of no more than 150 people ErikJ Dec 2012 #19
Do you have any evidence to support that claim? white_wolf Dec 2012 #22
Hutterites, Dunbar's Number =150 ErikJ Dec 2012 #23
what do hutterites have to do with "state socialism"? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #27
I think he is making the mistake that for "state socialism" to work it would be based on altruism. white_wolf Dec 2012 #28
true. but my point was 'what is the "state" part of hutterites'? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #29
They are small "communist" group and their max size is 150 ErikJ Dec 2012 #30
what is the 'state' in their 'state socialism'? HiPointDem Dec 2012 #31
I was referring to pure definition ErikJ Dec 2012 #34
by the "state apparatus". what is the state apparatus of the hutterites? for that matter, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #35
The author claims that isnt socialism ErikJ Dec 2012 #38
That is state ownership and management of the means of production. The author HiPointDem Dec 2012 #39
On the third link there is an interesting rightwing/liberal comparison: loudsue Dec 2012 #40
People think my sweater is an awkward moment. RUMMYisFROSTED Dec 2012 #20
I read the article. I wish the author's friend had a blog, sounds like it would be instructive. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #25
If you can, catch the old movie "Son of Kong" 1933. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #26
lol. the sailors didn't know how to run the ship once the captains disappeared. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #32
I just tell people I'm a Socialist, a Liberal and a Progressive, and then talk right through... Systematic Chaos Dec 2012 #33
I had a kid in my class tell me socialism means you have to give your shirt away-- Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #36
Christianity: "And from him who takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt either." HiPointDem Dec 2012 #37
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