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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)194. rape is not a fucking "mistake"
And anyone old enough to have a working penis for sex knows damn well that using a woman as an object to jerk off in is not only wrong but rape - EVEN back then. The ONLY reason to rape a woman in a condition where she is unable to consent is because you KNOW that were she able to give consent she'd say NO. The simple fact that anyone would commit such a crime is being they know their chances of a) being able to do it without much fuss, and b) because their chances of getting caught are minimal because the woman who is that drunk may very likely not even remember what happened to her nor who it was.
This is no fucking minor mistake that just any person could make for fuck's sake! DAMN!
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There are many a chap who haven't evolved, I applaud your evolution and honesty!
arthritisR_US
Nov 2012
#323
I asked downthread, and I'd really like to know, what if he'd been the rapee?
Common Sense Party
Nov 2012
#156
No. It means I and many others will be reading with interest and not taking part.
Turborama
Nov 2012
#25
That is a question which, if one has to ask, one has already answered.
Common Sense Party
Nov 2012
#4
Agree but the law was still the same as it is now. Nothing has really changed in the wording
former-republican
Nov 2012
#43
Actually, where I live the wording to the law has changed. It used to be that verbal refusal of sex
arthritisR_US
Nov 2012
#332
was it the griup of boys? cause that would be 70's. was it the kids you hung out with?
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#63
It definitely was NOT the norm in northern MI, NashvilleLefty. I was born in 1955.
catbyte
Nov 2012
#292
It might have been the norm for RWers, but on the left we leaned feminist even then.
kestrel91316
Nov 2012
#392
I did my share of drinking and can say I never did that to a passed out woman.
former-republican
Nov 2012
#74
ya. i do not even know if we talked about date rape until like the later 70's, 80's.
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#140
how do you know. so someone carried them to the room. swept thru the party drunk so and so in
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#258
then the opportunity was not there because people took care of the girl. why pretend it doesnt
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#287
yippers. i wonder if he too... (yes, may be a she, we do that)... has a past
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#336
I think you are wrong. I did rape awareness on the U of Delaware in the late 70s...
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#88
Are you kidding me? In the late 70s, an underaged woman was raped & killed after leaving a local bar
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#141
yup. and there is much in our culture today, that is pushing us back for the girl to stfu. nt
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#232
People call themselves all kinds of things they aren't. Progressive or Liberal, you weren't.
patrice
Nov 2012
#42
people have suggest this. i wouldnt want to hear back from a rapist, decades later. i wonder how
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#393
No one I know ever considered it acceptable that wasn't also a piece of shit. nt
Bonobo
Nov 2012
#62
I don't find your rationalization that you were young and needed to stick it somewhere as a
Democrat 4 Ever
Nov 2012
#347
You're a liar. I'm 55 and that sort of thing was as horrifyingly criminal then as it is now.
kestrel91316
Nov 2012
#391
i don't see confusion , thank god for the sluts, would he have thought it was ok if it was his
JI7
Nov 2012
#33
He's playing all of us. He only made the OP to get in a jab about how liberals,
kestrel91316
Nov 2012
#395
You say you were peer presured into it, and encouraged to do these things...
Common Sense Party
Nov 2012
#161
I understand what you were saying...I am 51, and the "bad" girls were known to all
adigal
Nov 2012
#246
The vast majority of men, IME, have that mindset. It's OK for them to treat some woman
raccoon
Nov 2012
#199
Socioeconomic status, ethnicity, religion, family structure, etc all play a role in sexual attitudes
FarCenter
Nov 2012
#54
Yes, and as I stated, I've found that the very wealthy are more likely to behave badly.
yardwork
Nov 2012
#252
Hmmm... I always assumed that in super wealthy families women typically had more "clout".
Smarmie Doofus
Nov 2012
#280
In the MOVIES under the new(ish) Hayes Code in 1939, there were rules about that sort of thing.
MADem
Nov 2012
#116
The Motion Picture Production Code allowed all sorts of implications and in-jokes
Lydia Leftcoast
Nov 2012
#286
The point of the Motion Picture Code, though, was that "bad things" did not happen, because the
MADem
Nov 2012
#315
exactly. i was feeling that reading it also. and yes, that scene was one people were suppose to
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#221
He gives a sly look to the camera and leans toward the woman as the scene fades out
arcane1
Nov 2012
#320
the girls were passed out and that was cool for you? and people are thanking you
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#13
again, i was right in the time where date rape drug comes out and gals werent informed. aids and we
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#75
You needed education to know not to fuck people who were in no condition to consent?
LeftyMom
Nov 2012
#15
I think that is the most screwed-up definition of "Red Blooded American Male" I've ever heard.
Common Sense Party
Nov 2012
#120
huge mistake on my part. using fire in bed. heavy OP. thinking as i was reading.... my bad.
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#41
oh lordy. thank you. i totally forget the op. i will have to see what the? is.
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#56
And underage drinking and driving when drunk and partying when one should be studying and not
libdem4life
Nov 2012
#21
i was in bed, reading a little fire, and kinda blown away from the OP. reading down the thread, i
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#219
i think it is more that they have to be numb to it, and that is the matter of fact you hear. so
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#85
When I read an article about that going on among 12- and 13-year-olds,
Lydia Leftcoast
Nov 2012
#302
an empty house was another conversation i had with my boys. not gonna happen
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#304
This makes me SOOOO sad that anyone even debates when it's "OK" to have sex and when it's not...
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2012
#77
true. but this is taught to respect because you have all the other social factors that teach
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#102
I was raped by an ex-boyfriend in HS after I told him I never wanted to see him again.
hrmjustin
Nov 2012
#84
It was not easy, but I wanted healing. But to this day I still have issues trusting men.
hrmjustin
Nov 2012
#107
YOU are the guy Fathers tell their Daughters about. You were THEN, and probably are NOW.
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2012
#108
Although I agree with the last line. The rest of your statement disgusts me...
vaberella
Nov 2012
#121
yes. i found that study over a year ago. i have recently gone back looking for it
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#146
It seems clear that the great majority of posters in this thread are denying the facts these survey
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2012
#196
point on. if we are not really honest, then it will continue and no resolutions to be had. it is a
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#214
That kind of supports what the OP was saying about what his attitude was back then
loudsue
Nov 2012
#379
and if someone had told you it was bad, you wouldn't have done it? after all, you were a
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#129
Please answer this as honestly as you can: When you were a teen, if YOU had passed out
Common Sense Party
Nov 2012
#142
I don't knee-jerk "hate" you, but it's not my place to forgive (or not).
nomorenomore08
Nov 2012
#173
If you feel that bad about it, you should go and confess to law enforcement
darkangel218
Nov 2012
#181
If he goes and confesses to the police, dont be so sure he wont get prosecuted.
darkangel218
Nov 2012
#206
That's disgusting and it's a shame you weren't prosecuted for it. Appalling. nt
TeamsterDem
Nov 2012
#193
Unless you're in your eighties, it certainly wasn't considered acceptable behavior at the time.
MadHound
Nov 2012
#203
I appreciate that you are willing to honestly examine your behavior and thought processes.
Sheldon Cooper
Nov 2012
#226
the moral to this story is we hear the SAME stories today. things are not different.
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#312
i do. the whole point of all this is when you tell a guy rape is rape, he will probably agree. say
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#325
the concept of consensual sex needs to be understood and included in the education.
lunatica
Nov 2012
#247
As someone that lost my virginity to rape in 1972, was raped by my husband and as the mother of a
Mnemosyne
Nov 2012
#265
My great-grandfather had a unique punishment for rapists- nail their dick to a stump and give them a
Mnemosyne
Nov 2012
#268
When you are raised in a culture where x is acceptable, how are you to know otherwise?
jollyreaper2112
Nov 2012
#309
geezus ... get off the fuckin evo psych... hard wired bullshit. so fuckin tired of that garbage. nt
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#313
no. there was not. whne you give men that they are hard wired, i stop reading. it is bullshit in
seabeyond
Nov 2012
#335
If this OP isn't pure bullshit and flameware, then I would think it would be
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#324