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H2O Man

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30. Recommended.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:39 PM
Nov 2012

Rice is, of course, the resident neoconservative in the administration.

The fake crap that McCain et al are doing is a lower level of domestic politics .... the republican party is in a win-win situation: if it's Kerry, they get another shot at a Senate seat in MA; if it's Rice, they get the neoconservative.

On the higher level -- and this is international, of course -- the neoconservatives play point for the forces that depend upon, and indeed demand, an on-going US military presence in the Middle East. This force -- that Merton called the "Unspeakable," and that I refer to as the "machine" -- already has special forces throughout the Middle East, a significant area of Africa, and southeast Asia.

It would take an enormous effort to slow the machine, much less stop it. That machine doesn't much care how many young US soldiers are maimed or killed. And it sure as hell doesn't care about the native populations in those regions. It's all about resources, money, and control.

Certainly, President Obama is far superior a person, hence President, than Mitt could/would have been -- on domestic policies. But the international scene is different. I know that as a human being, Barack Obama cares about people -- including US soldiers and the citizens of other nations. But I question if he believes that he can stop the machine, and I do not think that he would be likely to take the risks necessary to try.

same as Hillary Enrique Nov 2012 #1
It's been written about Rice that she reflects Obama's views more closely than any other advisor leveymg Nov 2012 #3
No, she actually reflects John McCain's views more closely than any other advisor., kelliekat44 Nov 2012 #36
The dog and pony show being performed by McCain and Co. proves that they think Obama's cornered blm Nov 2012 #4
isn't it odd that everyone is accepting Kerry would be the only other choice? Enrique Nov 2012 #6
Not a Bonesman. She went to Stanford and Oxford. leveymg Nov 2012 #7
She was a Rhodes scholar FarCenter Nov 2012 #11
The Empire got darker, but the sun never really set. leveymg Nov 2012 #16
Isn't it odd that GOP senators are now praising Kerry who they don't agree with when it comes to blm Nov 2012 #8
My feeling was that the Repugs want Rice (she's hawkish) and were hoping to push Obama KoKo Nov 2012 #13
I think you're right. They're trying to make it so that he can't help BUT nominate Rice. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #23
Kerry was VERY different karynnj Nov 2012 #33
Libya was bad news, and Syria is worse. allrevvedup Nov 2012 #2
Yes, it was obscene, the destruction of one of Africa's most independent and sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #24
Thanks for this substantive review, elleng Nov 2012 #5
I'm not the biggest fan of Rice. I just thought she was unfairly being criticized by the GOP. vilify Nov 2012 #9
Rice is very hawkish, Huntsman would be better. Or maybe Kerry nt Report1212 Nov 2012 #10
Soooo, does McCain & Co. actually want her to be SoS for that very reason? moondust Nov 2012 #12
well..that's what I'm thinking..and of course I could be wrong but it "smells." n/t KoKo Nov 2012 #15
Good call...you never know who/what the con artists are coning. Auntie Bush Nov 2012 #14
I know its impossible but I'd love it if Obama would select someone from outside the 1% as SOS riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #17
Sigh...we are the dreamers...I agree with you...but will never happen..still KoKo Nov 2012 #19
An article that supports your basic points. grantcart Nov 2012 #18
Susan Rice would not be my choice for SOS......Interesting Article...but then that's KoKo Nov 2012 #20
Thank you. There are enough real reasons to be wary of Rice. We don't need the GOP bullshit ones. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #21
She appears to be in lockstep with SOS Clinton fried eggs Nov 2012 #22
Pick someone else. jsr Nov 2012 #25
"Homeland" is such a Fascist word; I HATE THIS BUSHISM. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #26
Same as every SOS proceeding and including hillary still_one Nov 2012 #27
How about we get someone to end that tradition. morningfog Nov 2012 #29
That would be nice but it won't happen. The SOS represents the president still_one Nov 2012 #31
she just joined the ranks of my "hell no" list.... mike_c Nov 2012 #28
John Kerry was never a war monger - ever karynnj Nov 2012 #34
Which is why he voted for Bush's wars. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #35
And ProSense Nov 2012 #37
Exactly, but ProSense Nov 2012 #39
Does that ProSense Nov 2012 #38
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2012 #30
We should encourage him to take those necessary risks to try to stop the next war. leveymg Nov 2012 #32
The thing about international success is that it is invisible and quickly forgotten. grantcart Nov 2012 #40
Agreed - I'd like to see Kerry stay in Senate and lead Foreign Policy there, but, know he'd make one blm Nov 2012 #42
You first line said it all. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2012 #50
Oh, great. Quantess Nov 2012 #41
All through this Benghazi flap I've had this feeling that we are being manipulated ... Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #43
No Daylight Between Condi and Susan otohara Nov 2012 #44
"It’s clear that Iraq poses a major threat." Martin Eden Nov 2012 #45
Take the Susan or Condi quiz at FP. Bet you can't tell who said what. leveymg Nov 2012 #46
The Iraq War is a good litmus test issue cpwm17 Nov 2012 #54
Obama came out against the war in 2002 Martin Eden Nov 2012 #59
to pick her based entirely on the fact that the republicans don't like her liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #47
Thanks for starting this thread my friend. k&r n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2012 #48
Well, thank you again, my friend! leveymg Nov 2012 #49
She will do whatever the president tells her to do if that is the case still_one Nov 2012 #51
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #52
“I think he has proved that Iraq has these weapons and is hiding them... Solly Mack Nov 2012 #53
Kucinich is looking for work now Capt. Obvious Nov 2012 #55
Would you support Chuck Hagel over Susan Rice? joshcryer Nov 2012 #56
False Dichotomy Logical Fallacy: Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #57
I'm just seeing if that is the extent of their criticism. joshcryer Nov 2012 #58
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