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Bluesaph

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50. Dismissing the reason for the protests is also nonproductuve

Sun May 5, 2024, 04:34 PM

May 2024

I don’t envy our president and what he has on his plate. And I do recognize that it is not simple.

But I stand by my belief that AT THE VERY MINIMUM our aid should come with some VERY FIRM conditions which should include possibly removing Bibi from making the decisions as to how the aid is used. But at the very least that Israel should immediately participate in bringing aid to civilians.

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The war against the Jewish story [View all] Beastly Boy May 2024 OP

Once again the victims have become the bad guys FakeNoose May 2024 #1

Yup. Elessar Zappa May 2024 #2

Agree, but also... ShazzieB May 2024 #45

if their donors start clawing back some of the money hamas has stolen, mopinko May 2024 #3

Yes, the boycotts against Israel are aimed at the wrong people. wnylib May 2024 #49

Re-Indigenizing??? Bluesaph May 2024 #4

Jews were living in the region since about 2000 BCE MistakenLamb May 2024 #7

They aren't the only natives Bluesaph May 2024 #10

Can't. US butt the fuck out. The region is too strategically important. paleotn May 2024 #16

That's always the "reason" Bluesaph May 2024 #32

Different situations. And the simplistic response, butt the fuck out, is sometimes right like a broken clock. paleotn May 2024 #43

Dismissing the reason for the protests is also nonproductuve Bluesaph May 2024 #50

It was Iran in 1953 and French Indochina in 1945 Kennah May 2024 #84

Question ShazzieB May 2024 #46

Why is Israel too strategically important? Eko May 2024 #59

Zionism is an anti-colonial, indigenous rights movement Mosby May 2024 #8

Anti-colonial? Wtf? Bluesaph May 2024 #27

"We can repatriate first peoples here in America... We don't need to create thucythucy May 2024 #69

If you want to use the Bible as a source, Beastly Boy May 2024 #9

Not just Jews. Obviously. Bluesaph May 2024 #12

This is not the issue that you raised. Beastly Boy May 2024 #17

Thanks for sharing more history. Bluesaph May 2024 #25

The phrase doesn't make the same impression on me, even though I find it a bit awkward. Beastly Boy May 2024 #33

Or until they chuck the goddamn religion. paleotn May 2024 #15

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all share the same deity with slightly different names. Ping Tung May 2024 #23

It's Judaism's deity that the others appropriate Bad Thoughts May 2024 #40

i don't think Christianity exactly "appropriated" the God of Judaism. ShazzieB May 2024 #48

Trust Archeology Bad Thoughts May 2024 #39

That's not my argument. Bluesaph May 2024 #42

I think you misunderstand. There were still Jews in Palestine, even during the diaspora AnrothElf May 2024 #52

I left Costa Rica and had four kids here in the US Bluesaph May 2024 #53

You chose to leave. Bad Thoughts May 2024 #60

the Old Testament was not written down until after the Jews returned from the yellowdogintexas May 2024 #68

It's not Israel. It is Israel's leader. MOMFUDSKI May 2024 #5

Hear, hear peppertree May 2024 #13

Putin's propaganda on Gaza is not pro-Netanyahu, it's pro-Hamas. SunSeeker May 2024 #22

Exactly Orrex May 2024 #20

I'm all for his goal to eliminate Hamas. His settlers expansions, no. SunSeeker May 2024 #26

Except Jews still kick Palestinians out of their homes. Bluesaph May 2024 #28

"Hamas massacre revealed that slogan's genocidal implications" Sky Jewels May 2024 #6

Except it's NOT genocide. It only diminishes the term to abuse it that way. AnrothElf May 2024 #14

I'm sure any surviving family members of the tens of thousands of slaughtered Gazans Sky Jewels May 2024 #56

Irrelevant. Words have meanings. AnrothElf May 2024 #62

The words don't affect the fact that Israeli is brutally slaughtering Sky Jewels May 2024 #70

Never said war wasn't evil as fuck. AnrothElf May 2024 #71

How many Palestinians must be murdered before it meets your criteria for genocide? Orrex May 2024 #82

It's gruesome to speak in numbers, but if you want to go there... AnrothElf May 2024 #83

Genocide can be a tool of war, and war can be a mechanism for genocide Orrex May 2024 #85

More empty bumper-sticker sloganeering. AnrothElf May 2024 #86

Says the wizard of empty bumper-sticker sloganeering Orrex May 2024 #87

LOL "I'm rubber you're glue" AnrothElf May 2024 #88

No, that's not it. Orrex May 2024 #90

I stand by my position. This is not genocide, and misapplying the term is derogatory and borderline antisemitic. AnrothElf May 2024 #91

I wish you'd post this in a thousand more threads. egduj May 2024 #89

Do you think that a TEENY, TINY bit of the continuation of the war yagotme May 2024 #74

"Except it's NOT genocide . . . " markpkessinger May 2024 #77

That's not an argument. It's an appeal to emotion. AnrothElf May 2024 #78

Children are dying of starvation because Israel won't allow sufficient aid to get through to thsoe who need it . . . markpkessinger May 2024 #79

It might be a war crime, but no, by itself it doesn't rise to the definition of genocide. AnrothElf May 2024 #81

Also, those who children AREN'T being systematically starved to death have the luxury of quibbling over definitions ... markpkessinger May 2024 #80

However arbitrary your definition of "genocide" may be, Beastly Boy May 2024 #18

I wouldn't be sticking up for Netanyahu's/Israeli government's/IDF's "morality" if I were you. Sky Jewels May 2024 #57

Both sides have some bad actors right now Johnny2X2X May 2024 #11

I do not disagree with your post, but this is not the subject of the article. Beastly Boy May 2024 #19

The article asks how it's possible that Israel villain Bluesaph May 2024 #29

How did it come to this? Students ignorant of history were played by social media and influencers. SunSeeker May 2024 #21

Anti semitism or anti genocide? Bluesaph May 2024 #30

Eliminating Hamas is not revenge, it necessity. SunSeeker May 2024 #35

I understand what you're saying Bluesaph May 2024 #41

I think the photographic footage of Gaza's dessimation may have had something to do KPN May 2024 #24

You may well and righteously feel that PCIntern May 2024 #31

You nailed it Johnny2X2X May 2024 #34

The IDF's aim now is to eliminate the last remaining Hamas battalion. SunSeeker May 2024 #37

The goal is and always has been: Zeitghost May 2024 #54

I understand. I don't condone Hamas one bit. They should be. KPN May 2024 #51

Ok. Fair enough. PCIntern May 2024 #55

Jew hating is as fashionable as ever BannonsLiver May 2024 #36

It's not so latent here, either, since October 7. DavidDvorkin May 2024 #44

You misspelled the word "rampant." egduj May 2024 #47

You know what else is rampant? Sky Jewels May 2024 #58

"Death to Israel" and "Death to America" aren't criticisms of Netty or the Israeli government. yagotme May 2024 #75

There sure are a lot of Israeli Jews who are Jew hating iemanja May 2024 #93

Good read LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #38

Control enid602 May 2024 #61

it's the body count. israel is ahead in the body count war by some 30 to one nt msongs May 2024 #63

Not for the lack of trying. Beastly Boy May 2024 #64

the point is israel is way ahead in the number of people being slaughtered and thats bad PR which results msongs May 2024 #66

I understand the rationale, but the assumption behind it is fundamentally flawed Beastly Boy May 2024 #72

So, for better PR, Israel should allow more of their people to be killed? yagotme May 2024 #76

Whoa.. Rec! 💙 Cha May 2024 #67

While I agree with you on the body count, the anti-Israel stuff has been going for decades. LeftInTX May 2024 #73

"In focusing on Israel's actions and dismissing those of Hamas, campus protesters are providing cover for October 7.." Cha May 2024 #65

It's because of how Netanyahu has chosen to respond to the Hamas attacks iemanja May 2024 #92