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319. And they also allow for the betterment of Gazan citizens,
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 07:25 PM
Apr 11

those who work in Israel, and their families.

No longer defending Israel [View all] angrychair Apr 3 OP
I'm with you. Scrivener7 Apr 3 #1
me too TomDaisy Apr 4 #203
Luckily, President Biden doesn't agree TexasDem69 Apr 3 #2
The quibbling over the word "genocide" reminds me of arguing about what type of gun was . . . . Stinky The Clown Apr 3 #5
The word "genocide" has meaning TexasDem69 Apr 3 #8
Ethnic cleansing, then. LuvLoogie Apr 3 #20
Just as random and just as inapplicable. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #70
It is literal, textbook ethnic cleansing obamanut2012 Apr 4 #113
Whose textbook? Beastly Boy Apr 4 #133
Oh stop. you always do this, and you know exactly what I mean obamanut2012 Apr 4 #151
The rationalizing is appalling, no? BuddhaGirl Apr 4 #169
Everyone forgets the 1940's and what Israeli population went through. jimfields33 Apr 4 #183
Learned their lesson too well OrangeJoe Apr 4 #186
Is this your take on the current conflict? yagotme Apr 5 #261
I have not forgotten agalisgv Apr 4 #223
You want me to stop asking you where you get your stuff so you can keep referring to Beastly Boy Apr 4 #198
My Lai is not an equivalent BigmanPigman Apr 3 #23
gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ quakerboy Apr 3 #24
You do you, I'll do imprecise me Stinky The Clown Apr 3 #26
Because the word is being murielm99 Apr 4 #60
+1 betsuni Apr 4 #66
If Israel doesn't want Palestine to garner the world's sympathy Sky Jewels Apr 4 #80
If they supported the attacks on Israel, but didn't directly participate, they are still guilty. Lucky Luciano Apr 4 #148
Oh, so the thousands of children and teens that Israel has maimed slaughtered and starved are guilty? Sky Jewels Apr 4 #154
Be careful what you wish for OrangeJoe Apr 4 #188
..even the children? whathehell Apr 4 #225
Not the children. War is hell. Lucky Luciano Apr 4 #234
Massacres are worse.. whathehell Apr 4 #235
I think we need to seek the definition of "children" as Hamas sees it. yagotme Apr 5 #262
I can't imagine why one would 'need' to do that, whathehell Apr 6 #313
I'm sure there are some trial courts here in the US that would disagree with you, nt yagotme Apr 11 #318
Lol..I'm not at all sure of that, whathehell Apr 11 #320
I'm sure "children" can be tried as an adult. yagotme Apr 15 #321
In this country.. whathehell Apr 15 #322
The Israeli government is NOT synonymous with "the Jewish people" Sky Jewels Apr 4 #89
Don't you dare say that I murielm99 Apr 4 #90
Oh, that is what you said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #114
I separated the two. murielm99 Apr 4 #142
You are correct, as usual. Oopsie Daisy Apr 4 #112
Apparently your argument is that the word Voltaire2 Apr 4 #123
Thank you. By (incorrectly) using the loaded term "genocide", the interlocutor signals that ... AnrothElf Apr 4 #170
There is no evidence that Israelis are bathing Voltaire2 Apr 4 #171
Thank you. murielm99 Apr 4 #174
+1 betsuni Apr 5 #248
A one-sided war such as this sure looks a lot like genocide. No Palestinians were firing back at the IDF when they were TeamProg Apr 4 #197
A real war? murielm99 Apr 4 #205
THIS IS NOT A "WAR" - IT IS A MASSACRE! The casualty count is far, far too unbalanced to call this a "war". See::: TeamProg Apr 4 #207
I am not going to read any more of your changing explanations murielm99 Apr 4 #209
Hmmm, you are mistaken that I care about what you think of my posts. TeamProg Apr 4 #210
The poster didn't give their own definition.. whathehell Apr 4 #231
I agree. Butterflylady Apr 4 #168
Genocide is Genocide TheCynic56 Apr 4 #125
The UN never said that Israel is committing genocide lapucelle Apr 6 #305
Read the UN definition of genocide. It describes Israel's actions. Lonestarblue Apr 4 #135
No it doesn't. That's why the ICJ denied SA's demands for an immediate cessation lapucelle Apr 6 #308
The same UN that determined in 2005 JustAnotherGen Apr 6 #311
the bombing might not b, but mopinko Apr 4 #141
World Central Kitchen was in touch with the Israeli government . . . markpkessinger Apr 4 #167
Okay, how about mass murder? whathehell Apr 4 #216
Perhaps Hamas should have taken this into account BEFORE attacking Israel... yagotme Apr 5 #263
Great analogy. Basic LA Apr 4 #50
Thank you. Goddessartist Apr 4 #134
If the ICJ ruled tomorrow it was a genocide.... TheRealNorth Apr 4 #180
exactly. how many children are going to be smashed between floors of collapsed buildings TomDaisy Apr 4 #204
They are starving Gaza to death angrychair Apr 3 #6
WAR!! TexasDem69 Apr 3 #11
Money angrychair Apr 3 #16
Your suggestion would probably help wnylib Apr 4 #63
Wasn't talking about given money to Hamas angrychair Apr 4 #76
Yes, the Marshall Plan was an excellent program wnylib Apr 4 #166
Wow the poster said nothing of the sort obamanut2012 Apr 4 #116
Dunno. But I don't want my tax money going to Israel to allow it to continue. 3Hotdogs Apr 3 #29
Pretty sure targeting relief workers dflprincess Apr 3 #39
Not by wiping out every Palestinian in Gaza, KPN Apr 4 #64
There are multiple international treaties that Voltaire2 Apr 4 #94
Posters keep glossing over that obamanut2012 Apr 4 #117
You are still excusing the slaughter obamanut2012 Apr 4 #115
Starvation as a tactic of war is a war crime under the Rome Statute of the ICC markpkessinger Apr 4 #173
Apparently there are some here Mossfern Apr 4 #236
List those repeated attacks. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #72
Dead journalists OrangeJoe Apr 4 #190
Not only are you not citing sources, you are not even referring to the "they" Beastly Boy Apr 4 #201
Citation OrangeJoe Apr 4 #237
Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #244
Journalists are journalists OrangeJoe Apr 5 #292
Sorry, there is a hell of a difference between propagandists and journalists. Beastly Boy Apr 6 #296
Israel is waging war against... dchill Apr 3 #12
How many bodies will be enough? Bayard Apr 3 #18
The children of the holocaust did not hate Germans for the rest of their lives. SunSeeker Apr 4 #73
They will rebuild Gaza BigMin28 Apr 4 #107
You're right. Gaza could be an opportunity to rethink the whole "middle east vs western culture" conundrum. jaxexpat Apr 4 #127
Not true OrangeJoe Apr 4 #191
Wrong. Golda Meir did not hate Germans. She advocated for reconciliation. SunSeeker Apr 5 #246
You may be right OrangeJoe Apr 5 #290
I've met plenty of elderly Germans who still held a grudge. cab67 Apr 4 #230
I don't think Netanyahu's plan involves Bettie Apr 4 #138
1200 people, so kill 30k and starve the rest of them to death? AllyCat Apr 3 #22
"Attacking unarmed civilians is beyond the pale no matter who does it." TBF Apr 3 #28
No. Even if Hamas does it. If you reread my post, AllyCat Apr 4 #105
He is trying to "root them out" - but I will agree with you that his methods do leave something TBF Apr 4 #136
Strawman OrangeJoe Apr 4 #192
If only that was true... nt sarisataka Apr 4 #199
Actually a lot of folks are not only defending Hamas - TBF Apr 4 #215
Rephrase OrangeJoe Apr 4 #238
Hamas is the Political Leadership JustAnotherGen Apr 7 #314
DU is missing a downvote button. erodriguez Apr 4 #48
I've thought that before and have come to think that that's probably a good thing. It seems to me that...... EarnestPutz Apr 4 #62
Then Israel should not target aid workers. Trueblue Texan Apr 4 #118
I've seen zero sympathy for Hamas on this board.. whathehell Apr 4 #228
I hear you. I do. Semantics aside, there is an important point to make here. PatrickforB Apr 4 #145
With all respect... appmanga Apr 4 #159
Israeli's goal OrangeJoe Apr 4 #185
So, the work permits Israel allowed Palestinians to enter Israel are fake news? yagotme Apr 5 #264
See for yourself OrangeJoe Apr 5 #289
From your post: yagotme Apr 5 #291
From the article you cited OrangeJoe Apr 6 #298
And they also allow for the betterment of Gazan citizens, yagotme Apr 11 #319
Long term goal OrangeJoe Apr 6 #299
So, the population of Israel is 100% Jewish descent by now, right? yagotme Apr 11 #317
I hope you are mistaken. TomSlick Apr 4 #229
Hamas was tacitly supported by the Israeli gov't radius777 Apr 5 #271
Bibi really blew it this time. BigmanPigman Apr 3 #3
I'm confident President Biden will continue to support TexasDem69 Apr 3 #4
Hopefully not angrychair Apr 3 #9
Well TexasDem69 Apr 3 #13
It's hysterical you think Bibi is for democracy obamanut2012 Apr 4 #122
He's for keeping Israel on the map which countries around it would rather they didn't exist jimfields33 Apr 5 #259
'Our great ally Israel' MyOwnPeace Apr 3 #14
Trying to eliminate Hamas and prevent future TexasDem69 Apr 3 #15
The people of Gaza angrychair Apr 3 #19
That is a good question. How many dead is enough? JanMichael Apr 3 #36
The many times I've seen that question asked, MorbidButterflyTat Apr 5 #295
Who, exactly, do you think Hamas is??? yagotme Apr 5 #265
No, that is incorrect angrychair Apr 5 #268
How is my assessment not accurate? yagotme Apr 5 #270
You seem to have your mind made up angrychair Apr 5 #275
As do you: yagotme Apr 5 #280
"Anyone with a sense of decency fully supports Israel." MyOwnPeace Apr 3 #27
None of us has the right to judge which of us has "a sense of decency." ShazzieB Apr 4 #61
I have lots of decency but I absolutely do not support Phoenix61 Apr 4 #111
I don't support the murder of innocent people obamanut2012 Apr 4 #124
I used to support Israel TheCynic56 Apr 4 #126
How dare you? I don't support what Israel is doing at all. Even my Israeli family doesn't support what Nanjeanne Apr 4 #144
Speaking as someone with a sense of decency - cab67 Apr 4 #232
I agree, it's time for ceasefire. yagotme Apr 5 #266
I'm not laying all of this on the Israeli government or the IDL. cab67 Apr 5 #286
I didn't say that you were. yagotme Apr 5 #287
It is not revenge. It is war to eliminate a terrorist organization wnylib Apr 4 #87
+1 betsuni Apr 4 #92
Then he will lose on November obamanut2012 Apr 4 #121
are you being sarcastic? LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #161
What a great ally. NH Ethylene Apr 4 #242
Only those JustAnotherGen Apr 7 #315
This is similar to our war in Iraq after 9/11 Yavin4 Apr 3 #7
Good point, Bayard Apr 3 #21
Correct. VicNEO Apr 3 #44
No, Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorist attack. Completely different. betsuni Apr 4 #99
I said "similar to" not "exactly like". n/t Yavin4 Apr 4 #211
And neither did Palestinians - Hamas is an Israeli puppet gov't radius777 Apr 5 #272
Right. War against terrorism Easterncedar Apr 4 #110
If Trump wins, it's gonna get worse. We also provide financial support on a 10 year basis. It's auto-renewed. LeftInTX Apr 4 #132
Bad and worse OrangeJoe Apr 4 #193
A Lancet survey found over 650,000 civilian deaths resulting from the unjust Iraq war Ponietz Apr 4 #184
+1. Israel has already lost, as even Thomas Friedman radius777 Apr 5 #273
DURec leftstreet Apr 3 #10
You can no longer argue that Israel doesn't target civilians. patphil Apr 3 #17
This is a turning point for both Biden and Bibi BigmanPigman Apr 3 #25
Hear Hear! Many DUers are in this position. Basic LA Apr 4 #54
I hear you. Goddessartist Apr 4 #131
That's the spirit ! Basic LA Apr 4 #155
Hang in there, you're doing great. AloeVera Apr 5 #293
Thanks, I have to get grip Basic LA Apr 5 #294
So glad to see you! Goddessartist Apr 6 #307
Blessings to you as well, Goddessartist! AloeVera Apr 6 #310
Good morning! Goddessartist Apr 7 #316
Please try to understand creeksneakers2 Apr 3 #30
There is no question that Biden has a perspective on things that is beyond our ability to see. Earth-shine Apr 3 #33
I was always voting for Biden angrychair Apr 3 #35
Yes. Especially among the young people. creeksneakers2 Apr 4 #47
Gaza is a wasteland and unless the hostages were moved out of there Deuxcents Apr 3 #31
It is not a matter of misplaced revenge Martin Eden Apr 3 #32
BN's actions are what jeopardize the existence of Israel radius777 Apr 5 #277
The purpose of the war is to destroy Hamas. madaboutharry Apr 3 #34
Absolutely on purpose angrychair Apr 3 #40
You are free to believe what you want. madaboutharry Apr 4 #46
It's not what I believe angrychair Apr 4 #49
How does executing WCK workers destroy Hamas? Voltaire2 Apr 4 #96
Have to rec this with a post Mossfern Apr 4 #239
Purposefully bypassing literally 5 layers of safeguards to kill one suspected gunman is not destroying Hamas ... uponit7771 Apr 6 #300
Why isn't anyone putting pressure on Egypt to let Gazan women and children in so they can be safe and fed? SunSeeker Apr 3 #37
That what Israel is trying to do angrychair Apr 3 #41
Israel disengaged and forced all the Jewish settlers out of Gaza in 2005 so Beastly Boy Apr 4 #52
It's not what you think angrychair Apr 4 #55
What I think is that your reply shows no substance or logic to your claims. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #59
I'm not Google. angrychair Apr 4 #74
An opinion piece over 10 years old. Beastly Boy Apr 4 #82
What is wrong with saving women and children from the fighting? SunSeeker Apr 4 #67
You know that's Jared Kushner's idea, right? maxsolomon Apr 4 #164
No, temporarily giving women and children sanctuary in Egypt is not Jared's idea. SunSeeker Apr 5 #249
Egypt doesn't want ethnic cleansing under guise of humanitarianism. AloeVera Apr 4 #181
Israel did not create this mess. Hamas did. Saving women and children is the opposite of ethnic cleansing. SunSeeker Apr 5 #250
EC plus Collective Punishment under guise of humanitarianism AloeVera Apr 5 #260
No, it is not collective punishment for Gaza men, anymore than it was for Ukrainian men. SunSeeker Apr 5 #282
So they can leave and never return. Israel will never let them come back. IronLionZion Apr 4 #58
No, so they can survive. SunSeeker Apr 4 #65
The history of that region in the last 3-5 generations says otherwise. RockRaven Apr 4 #79
What does any of that matter if they are dead? SunSeeker Apr 4 #83
I'm not commenting on the value of their lives only the lack of evidence that RockRaven Apr 4 #84
Don't their lives matter more than the potential risk to Palestinian nationalism? SunSeeker Apr 4 #86
I repeat my previous reply. What you are saying to me is a repeated non sequitur. RockRaven Apr 4 #93
It is not a "non sequitor." I am asking you a question you obviously don't want to answer. SunSeeker Apr 6 #297
The history of the region does not justify letting women and children die in the crossfire of war. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #247
Of course it doesn't JUSTIFY it. And yet the historical record is awash in it. RockRaven Apr 5 #251
Good, then we're in agreement that Egypt's refusal to temporarily let in Gazan women and children is unjustified. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #252
I have uttered no comment upon that, so it is odd to assert I agree with it. RockRaven Apr 5 #253
So you're fine with Egypt building a wall and keeping Gazan women and children out? nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #254
As previously with you, I repeat my previous reply in response to your RockRaven Apr 5 #255
Your previous replies are not responsive to this question. This question calls for a yes or a no answer. nt SunSeeker Apr 5 #256
Your question is unrelated to my original reply. Do you pose random questions RockRaven Apr 5 #257
It's not a random, nor an unrelated question. You just don't want to answer it. SunSeeker Apr 5 #258
lol obamanut2012 Apr 4 #219
Israelis have killed almost 200 humanitarian aid workers have now been killed and at least 95 journalists and media summer_in_TX Apr 3 #38
The UN figure is 180, and not all of them were killed by Israeli strikes. SunSeeker Apr 4 #91
It's easier to make mistakes in the dark. summer_in_TX Apr 5 #245
We only needed to look at the recent history of our own blood lust after 9-11. onecaliberal Apr 3 #42
Fuck Israel d_b Apr 3 #43
Fuck Hamas. EllieBC Apr 4 #213
Link to where that poster or ANYONE on DU not a 50-post troll said that obamanut2012 Apr 4 #220
Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #227
I'm with you. AverageOldGuy Apr 3 #45
That si very clever -- small arms ammo only obamanut2012 Apr 4 #221
Did you ever? Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #51
Go look at my posts angrychair Apr 4 #56
Egypt, Lebanon? SunSeeker Apr 4 #69
Point me to one. (I will look later, so just one) EDIT NEVERMIND, I looked... Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #88
Those are not "attacks" angrychair Apr 4 #139
Remember, lift with knees when moving goalposts. Behind the Aegis Apr 4 #194
The search feature has been interesting to review posts from October 7. sarisataka Apr 4 #143
I defended Israel on their Gaza invasion and attacks, up until I learned how they are restricting food so severely that LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #162
the entire area makes me sick Skittles Apr 4 #53
I cannot stop crying. To think that a people who have been persecuted would treat others so! emmacom Apr 4 #57
You mean like the persecuted Palestinians who killed and raped teenage concert goers? SunSeeker Apr 4 #68
Holocaust enid602 Apr 4 #95
How sad that you cannot stop crying, but welcome to DU. lapucelle Apr 6 #309
This is the aftermath of 10/07-The day Hamas broke the ceasefire. sheshe2 Apr 6 #312
If Biden loses to Trump... Xolodno Apr 4 #71
No, we left Vietnam because we lost. SunSeeker Apr 4 #75
Well, I'll respond to this. Xolodno Apr 4 #77
Yep claudette Apr 4 #78
Yeah, I'm sure you were supporting Israel before Mountainguy Apr 4 #81
The US supports Israel, what else is new? akbacchus_BC Apr 4 #100
I support the Israel that is currently taking to the streets trying to hold Netenyahu responsible for actions tirebiter Apr 4 #85
The indefensible cannot be defended. Israel has lost the moral high ground. It's gone elocs Apr 4 #97
I agree with you. Israel wants Gaza and netenyahu is cruel to do what hitler did to jews as akbacchus_BC Apr 4 #98
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you malaise Apr 4 #101
Then the scorpion said to the kind frog: ''I couldn't resist, it's my nature" Donkees Apr 4 #102
Correct is right malaise Apr 4 #103
Seems Nethanyahu should try to swim on his own Donkees Apr 4 #104
Enough is enough Raven123 Apr 4 #106
K&R Doc Sportello Apr 4 #108
The same people calling me "pro-Hamas" RandiFan1290 Apr 4 #109
Israel has killed tens of thousands, "mostly women and children". mwb970 Apr 4 #119
All Israelis? JustAnotherGen Apr 4 #120
It has seem to taken a turn Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #128
I actually don't think N is after revenge. I think he's after land Scrivener7 Apr 4 #130
I don't think that Johnny2X2X Apr 4 #137
Hamas has achieved its goal SARose Apr 4 #129
Israel was on the verge of Arab world countries recognizing Israel. Thanks to Bibi, that is not going to happen RAB910 Apr 4 #146
I had forgotten that SARose Apr 4 #214
+1, Hamas is meeting its goal and Bibi is helping them at every step uponit7771 Apr 6 #304
Idiot homicidal maniacs are making the world forget Oct. 7 dalton99a Apr 4 #140
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Apr 4 #149
Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #147
This knee jerk slur really doesn't work in this situation anymore. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #150
I missed the post, but I bet I know what it said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #152
Yep. I bet you do too. Scrivener7 Apr 4 #175
Five prohibited acts atreides1 Apr 4 #153
K&R It saddens me to read denials of reality here, the deliberate and desperate attempt to deflect from the point msfiddlestix Apr 4 #156
Yea it's sad so many people are myopic one issue voters BannonsLiver Apr 4 #165
Agree completely. I have good friends who are making the ME War their political hill to die on. msfiddlestix Apr 4 #195
These 1-issue voters were just waiting for a fucking reason to hate Biden and tee-off on Jews in the process. Sick shit. SoFlaBro Apr 4 #241
100 percent true BannonsLiver Apr 5 #269
Self-governance sindri Apr 4 #157
For me it's not about defending Israel. ismnotwasm Apr 4 #158
This is not a war. This is vengeance. This is a slaughter by starvation and disease. Big Blue Marble Apr 4 #178
No, it isn't. ismnotwasm Apr 4 #187
And Israel has been killing and abusing Palestinians Big Blue Marble Apr 4 #240
And Palestinians have been killing Israelis' before Hamas, too. yagotme Apr 5 #267
Many more Palestinians have been killed radius777 Apr 5 #274
Then I guess that Israel is so much better than Palestinian terrorists yagotme Apr 5 #276
Israel is well funded by the west radius777 Apr 5 #279
Hamas is well funded/supplied by Iran. yagotme Apr 5 #281
Hamas is funded by Iran and Qatar, radius777 Apr 5 #283
Hamas doesn't want a 2-state solution, either. yagotme Apr 5 #284
Of course, that's why Bibi propped up Hamas, radius777 Apr 5 #285
Yes it is ... The Chef has more credibility than Bibi or Biden on this issue. Reality has to set in at some point uponit7771 Apr 6 #301
Yes. Please contact the White House about this. LymphocyteLover Apr 4 #160
Meh BannonsLiver Apr 4 #163
Israel has done a masterful job of of squandering both public opinion and the undisputed high ground they held. BobTheSubgenius Apr 4 #172
So nothing about the Hamas hostages? Mosby Apr 4 #176
That people are dying of starvation angrychair Apr 4 #179
Hamas is stealing most of the food aid. Mosby Apr 5 #288
A person can believe The Chef and want hostages to be freed, no one should support starving millions of people for uponit7771 Apr 6 #303
I realized it way early on when Netanyahu said that all Gaza's people were Hamas. He earlier had LiberalArkie Apr 4 #177
There will be no development on Gaza Beaches. Not without the world watching!! MenloParque Apr 4 #182
Agreed Deep State Witch Apr 4 #189
We ALL KNEW this was coming. Israel was NOT going to stop at just bombing a 'few hospitals', right? nt TeamProg Apr 4 #196
It's not a "war" it is a MASSACRE. nt TeamProg Apr 4 #200
I'm getting there. It's like Dresden in slow motion. carpetbagger Apr 4 #202
I consider Dresden a war crime by us, but it wasn't really one then obamanut2012 Apr 4 #224
And I didn't consider the opening Israeli response as such. carpetbagger Apr 4 #243
Same yankee87 Apr 4 #206
Slobodan had PLENTY of supporters as well. nt TeamProg Apr 4 #208
Some of the detailed and convoluted reasoning seen here to justify Aussie105 Apr 4 #212
Very well said obamanut2012 Apr 4 #226
Post removed Post removed Apr 4 #217
If you disagree, why not just answer? obamanut2012 Apr 4 #218
I get it agalisgv Apr 4 #222
+1, The Chef has been in more than one conflict and knows when his people are being targeted uponit7771 Apr 6 #302
same Evolve Dammit Apr 4 #233
I stopped in the 90's RANDYWILDMAN Apr 5 #278
Me too. Goddessartist Apr 6 #306
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