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Marthe48

(17,543 posts)
56. Years ago, I read about a Medicaid recovery case in WV
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 01:43 PM
Mar 2024

It was probably 20+ years ago, and the article said it was part of Medicaid conditions, but hadn't been used often up until then. The WV case was one of the first, iirc.

I felt bad for the people who it affected, and who like me, had no idea what was in the fine print. My relatives who needed Medicaid either had no assets, or used their asset to pay for their care, and then were declared indigent and applied for Medicaid. I found out after I read the article that if the person had divested themselves of assets 5 years or more before they started using Medicaid, they'd be exempt from recovery. Later, that time period was changed to 10 years. My Mom had no assets in her name. She lived in Colorado and inherited my brother's cabin simply because she'd lived with him long enough to get it because he died intestate. She in turn, gifted it to her grandkids, but she was allowed to live there until she died. My husband and I managed her finances and the kids got the cabin. My husband's uncle used all of his savings, and then went on Medicaid, so he didn't have any debts to Medicaid after he died. My mother-in-law had the same situation, used up her assets, then went on Medicaid, with no debts to pay back after she died.

My husband had good insurance, and Medicare. He was treated for cancer for 10 months-big fail. At the last, the hospital recommended hospice care, which we used for less than 10 days. When he died, I gave all of the medical equipment and supplies to the agency that supplied hospice care, and donated the feeding supplies to the hospital. We didn't get bills from the hospital or hospice because of the insurance and Medicare. But my husband was involved in a class action asbestos lawsuit, and the CMS has sent me regular letters for the last 6 years that if there is any payout from the lawsuit, I will have to pay $2500.00+/- for that last 10 days. I don't have to pay out of pocket, just if any money comes from a settlement. I thought settlements related to health issues were exempt, but who knows, maybe that's changed, too. Besides that, I've always thought it was bs, because his insurance was supposed to cover it. Our lawyer worked with the lawsuit lawyers and established a fund overseen by the local court. None of the individual lawsuits were settled in the years after my husband's death. The estate fund expired last year, and I stopped getting letters from CMS for awhile. Right after it expired, I got a settlement check, which I put in its own account at the bank, and if I hear any more from the lawyers about paying CMS, it'll come out of that. I looked for information about CMS claims having a statute of limitations, but not sure if I found anything that eases my mind.

I know way more than I want to about the fine print :/

World's greatest healthcare system at it again ck4829 Mar 2024 #1
They promise the homeowner he could stay in the house until he died. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #6
OK ck4829 Mar 2024 #9
That is a blessing for him and the family. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #10
No it isn't a win. Seriously? Demsrule86 Mar 2024 #17
Not a win. We pay taxes to provide services. AllyCat Mar 2024 #18
Yes we do. In states that allow Medicaid it's a requirement to pay back from the estate. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #20
It's not right. It's not a win. AllyCat Mar 2024 #37
Did you forget the sarcasm thingie? niyad Mar 2024 #25
It's completely F'd up. Prairie_Seagull Mar 2024 #57
The children inheriting could have opted to move in and Pisces Mar 2024 #61
This is nothing new. Goodheart Mar 2024 #2
I disagree wholeheartedly ColinC Mar 2024 #5
I'm speaking from experience. Goodheart Mar 2024 #11
yep been thru probate with my moms estate...this is real dembotoz Mar 2024 #46
In many ways.. North Shore Chicago Mar 2024 #3
The political alternative would be no Medicaid at all. Goodheart Mar 2024 #4
They're repossessing coffins now? Wonder Why Mar 2024 #7
Is there a reason the heirs shoudl benefit, at the expense of the rest of us? Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #8
Most "heirs" aren't compensated for their free caregiving labor leftstreet Mar 2024 #14
this AllyCat Mar 2024 #19
That is sometimes, but not universally, true. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #21
Good point about compensation for family caregivers. Not sure what requirements should be, but it's doable. Silent Type Mar 2024 #26
Worth noting that family caregivers are disproportionately female TexasBushwhacker Mar 2024 #31
Another good point that ought to be an easy tweak. But . . . . . . Silent Type Mar 2024 #33
True, Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #50
Family caregivers can be paid. TxGuitar Mar 2024 #45
True. At least in some circumstances. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #51
Not true TxGuitar Mar 2024 #43
Agree with this pinkstarburst Mar 2024 #48
My mom receives Medicare JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #12
Medicare or Medicaid? Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #22
Medicare and all of the Alphabet of Parts JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #72
Availability of Medicare has nothing to do with wealth. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #73
Understood and agree JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #75
Still don't see why divesting yourself of assets helps. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #76
I don't understand it either MichMan Mar 2024 #77
I don't think so. Ms. Toad Mar 2024 #79
And you will not get the step up in the cost basis of the house marybourg Mar 2024 #34
My dad died in 2011 JustAnotherGen Mar 2024 #74
Doesn't apply to Medicare TxGuitar Mar 2024 #42
Makes zero sense; Medicare eligibility doesn't have anything to do with assets. MichMan Mar 2024 #53
Confusion between Medicare and Medicaid. marybourg Mar 2024 #58
If she goes into care in less than five years I think (nursing home), she will still lose the House. Demsrule86 Mar 2024 #65
So in essence the govt. operates as a reverse mortgage lender. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #13
he approves Celerity Mar 2024 #24
OK, that got the best laugh of week for me. I'm still laughing. Silent Type Mar 2024 #27
maybe the newly TV advertising "Christian Insurance" companies PlutosHeart Mar 2024 #30
Medicaid is aid drmeow Mar 2024 #15
I thought standard practice was to repossess babylonsister Mar 2024 #16
I think some states might take one's home if there is no reasonable chance they will Silent Type Mar 2024 #28
It never happens TxGuitar Mar 2024 #41
After the person dies TxGuitar Mar 2024 #44
I don't think heirs are "entitled" to anything Hamlette Mar 2024 #23
What if the person doesn't own a house? IcyPeas Mar 2024 #29
Then there's no home to take. Reimbursement only occurs when the marybourg Mar 2024 #32
Then nothing happens TxGuitar Mar 2024 #40
There are ways to get around it. Xolodno Mar 2024 #35
It doesn't go poof. It goes to reimburse the marybourg Mar 2024 #36
They didn't make it to a nursing home. Xolodno Mar 2024 #64
The nerve of them! Billing people marybourg Mar 2024 #66
Fifty bucks for a band aid? Xolodno Mar 2024 #69
So that, which most of us have had to put up with, justifies your family marybourg Mar 2024 #71
Hide money? Didn't have to. Xolodno Mar 2024 #78
Then you are part of the problem TxGuitar Mar 2024 #39
Nope. It's all legal and part of our system. Xolodno Mar 2024 #67
Unfortunately, there are always some who gain pleasure from defrauding taxpayers by cheating the system MichMan Mar 2024 #54
This. I used Mom's assets moonscape Mar 2024 #63
The thing is...the laws are there. Xolodno Mar 2024 #68
Mrs TxGuitar here TxGuitar Mar 2024 #38
Medicaid is for people with no assets--it is absolutely fair pinkstarburst Mar 2024 #47
My mother Rebl2 Mar 2024 #49
Yes! "This is routine..." Grins Mar 2024 #52
49 states look back 60 months (5 years). California uses 30 months dalton99a Mar 2024 #60
With my elderly mother in NJ it was 10 years. Grins Mar 2024 #81
Regular people don't have the luxury of having MOMFUDSKI Mar 2024 #55
You need to have it five years before diagnosis jimfields33 Mar 2024 #59
Years ago, I read about a Medicaid recovery case in WV Marthe48 Mar 2024 #56
So Is Medicaid A Loan? WiVoter Mar 2024 #62
Medicaid is only for people with no assets pinkstarburst Mar 2024 #70
That's because medicaid is to provide assistance Zeitghost Mar 2024 #80
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