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3_Limes

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34. English is my third language.

Sun Jan 14, 2024, 01:23 PM

Jan 2024

But "blood thirst" is also completely acceptable usage. A person who is 'bloodthirsty' has a blood thirst. That more people use the expression that you provided doesn't bar me from using the latter.

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I figured out why there is so much talk about Israel and "genocide" lately. It's Holocaust denial in disguise. [View all] Beastly Boy Jan 2024 OP

Or perhaps it is because of the stunning slaughter by the IDF in Gaza. nt. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #1

You go ahead with yourself and call it that but don't call is some BS genocide nt GuppyGal Jan 2024 #2

Or perhaps not. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #5

I think one only has to become consciously aware to apply it to what Israel under Netanyahu is doing. Autumn Jan 2024 #15

Being substantively aware helps too. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #30

Do you think Netanyahu cares about all concerned? He and his people sure don't sound like they have any concen Autumn Jan 2024 #45

No I don't. However, what you or I thing of Netanyahu doesn't change the definition of genocide, Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #76

You are attempting to change the definition of genocide. You won't even accept the IJC's definition of genocide. Autumn Jan 2024 #83

What? Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #92

For The Record, This Is The Text Of The Convention The Magistrate Jan 2024 #122

If you think that the term genocide is incorrect will you accept mass murder of civilians? Chainfire Jan 2024 #69

No I will not. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #78

Which is different then every other recent war how exactly? EX500rider Jan 2024 #21

Well one big difference is that they are JOOOOOOOOOZ!!1!! tritsofme Jan 2024 #22

Yes! agingdem Jan 2024 #58

Sorry, but Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 #62

Hamas started this war..and it is war.. agingdem Jan 2024 #65

So killing preemies Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 #66

well, maybe if Hamas didn't use the babies as human shields agingdem Jan 2024 #68

You skipped over the illegal settlements and the pain and suffering caused questionseverything Jan 2024 #77

Just another excuse to kill Jews... agingdem Jan 2024 #79

Stealing land, arresting people with no evidence or charges is ok with you? questionseverything Jan 2024 #82

Does Israel hide their fighters among civilians? Captain Zero Jan 2024 #104

No but does that justify excessive deaths of non-combatants? Redleg Jan 2024 #121

Non-existent oppression? Redleg Jan 2024 #120

Well it's greater than every column except the oddly labelled 'early 1990s'. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #41

Worse how exactly EX500rider Jan 2024 #59

We don't know, but we can assume the civilian Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #90

Why can we assume that EX500rider Jan 2024 #101

This graph is incomplete. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #86

Do you really think the civilian casualties were low in Korea and Vietnam? EX500rider Jan 2024 #112

No, I don't think that at all. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #119

I assume they were mostly making recent comparisions EX500rider Jan 2024 #144

Thanks for data on Korea. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #145

+1 Chautauquas Jan 2024 #52

The denial of Israeli atrocities is truly something. Sky Jewels Jan 2024 #80

The issue is not the "denial of Israeli atrocities." ShazzieB Jan 2024 #84

Yes GuppyGal Jan 2024 #3

The masks were thrown on the ground a long time ago At least now it is pellucidly clear where folks stand. No surprises tritsofme Jan 2024 #4

I disagree. I think there is so much talk about Israel and "genocide" because Netyanhu and his government is Autumn Jan 2024 #6

A prime example of what I am talking about. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #8

And you think you aren't playing with words to create your own definition of genocide? Autumn Jan 2024 #11

++++++++!! 2naSalit Jan 2024 #26

His IJC's definition of "genocide" seems to be the same definition of genocide I learned in grade school. . Autumn Jan 2024 #28

I appreciate... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #38

+1. You've described my own thoughts very well. Thank you. yonder Jan 2024 #139

That's not the definition of genocide in the Convention. lapucelle Jan 2024 #95

Sure. Here's the link. "Any of". Words have meaning and I cut and pasted from your link. "c" Autumn Jan 2024 #97

Nope. It's important to read all the words. lapucelle Jan 2024 #99

Nope. Genocide has a mental element and a physical element. lapucelle Jan 2024 #106

The thing is that the OP is claiming that talk of it being genocide is actually Holocaust denial. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #125

Sorry, but the Israeli government is not "coming close to genocide". lapucelle Jan 2024 #132

When "evidence of genocidal intent in the form of statements by leaders" has to be "placed in context", it's close muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #135

It's not close at all. lapucelle Jan 2024 #137

I have to say, I don't think that definition is applicable either. LauraInLA Jan 2024 #39

Do be sure and notify the IJC's that their definition of "genocide" is not applicable. . Autumn Jan 2024 #48

You forgot to quote the following: Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #72

I forgot nothing I posted the IJC's definition of genocide straight from the link along with Autumn Jan 2024 #75

That's not the definition of genocide in the Convention. lapucelle Jan 2024 #85

Thanks for posting this. It's very helpful. ShazzieB Jan 2024 #88

Yes it is. Genocide means "any of the following acts" committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part Autumn Jan 2024 #91

Nope. Go read the Convention. lapucelle Jan 2024 #94

from your link not just "c" applies Stargleamer Jan 2024 #98

From my link: There are TWO elements that must be established. One is "intent". lapucelle Jan 2024 #100

Kinda reminds me of some of the discussions that happened in the US after certain mass shootings. 3_Limes Jan 2024 #12

Or is it - 3_Limes Jan 2024 #13

I don't have my own definition for genocide. I refer to far more authoritative sources. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #93

"His" definition is the definition found in the actual Convention. lapucelle Jan 2024 #103

As someone who agrees that "genocide" doesn't (yet) apply, I still say, viva la Jan 2024 #54

Uh, no. 3_Limes Jan 2024 #7

Whatever that means. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #10

One of the things that terrifies me ismnotwasm Jan 2024 #9

That terrifies me as well The Revolution Jan 2024 #117

""Six million dead Jews? No big deal," 3_Limes Jan 2024 #14

Denying? No, Holocaust is undeniable. It is the next best thing: normalizing it. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #73

No, I don't think you figured it out at all Martin Eden Jan 2024 #16

Hamas and Islamic Jihad are likely the most popular political movements in the disputed territories. tritsofme Jan 2024 #18

I see little chance of peace Martin Eden Jan 2024 #37

And yet they seem totally not horrified by this? EX500rider Jan 2024 #25

One has garnered much more publicity Martin Eden Jan 2024 #46

The Problem, Sir, Is Why That Is The Magistrate Jan 2024 #146

Not denying it, normalizing it. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #74

That makes no sense Martin Eden Jan 2024 #96

Apparently, those who profess to abhore the plight of civilians in Gaza have no clue what constitutes genocide. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #105

"casually throw around so casually" Martin Eden Jan 2024 #108

They look like clueless entitled performers to me Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #118

They don't deny holocaust. They can't. The next best thing is to normalize it, which is what all the selective and Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #107

I do think that is part of it edhopper Jan 2024 #17

I doubt it Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 #63

Kick mcar Jan 2024 #19

Minimizing the Holocaust Mosby Jan 2024 #20

Your post me be meaningful if the audience here were Palistinian. 3_Limes Jan 2024 #23

"Blood thirst"... Mosby Jan 2024 #27

English is my third language. 3_Limes Jan 2024 #34

I find it useful to read profiles. N/T lapucelle Jan 2024 #102

Example of the lies. Mosby Jan 2024 #36

Interesting, thanks for the fact check... I read the Kristoff piece this morning and it seemed off to me LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #49

Aren't these supposed to be in the Israel/Palestine forum? PSPS Jan 2024 #24

There is a GD exception going right now. Mosby Jan 2024 #29

Probably not. SarahD Jan 2024 #31

I 100% disagree. Lunabell Jan 2024 #32

If "genocidal intent" derived from two or three extreme right wing ministers Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #109

I find it hard to look past the far more likely reason- Israel is on trial for genocide RAB910 Jan 2024 #33

The court is not holding a trial. The court is hearing accusations to determine whether or not they have merit. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #110

Jury's still out on who's genociding whom Warpy Jan 2024 #35

Here's what I wonder intrepidity Jan 2024 #40

so you've proved something using entirely contrived alternate histories. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #42

I generally agree. If Hamas surrendered and gave up the hostages, Israel would not be LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #44

Agreed. yardwork Jan 2024 #43

And yet still the South African case was laughably weak. tritsofme Jan 2024 #50

To some extent but if would help if so many Israeli officials didn't make genocide-like statements about Palestinians LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #47

Apparently 800 Holocaust scholars disagree. But hey, what would they know? Nanjeanne Jan 2024 #51

They are all antisemites... Dave Bowman Jan 2024 #61

Apparently, the 800 scholars do not disagree with what I posted. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #111

Well spotted. Plus a big dose of Trump-style projection. Hekate Jan 2024 #53

Missed the sarcasm, didn't ya? n/t Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 #133

I don't think that at all. patphil Jan 2024 #55

Well, there's the unfortunate fact... GiqueCee Jan 2024 #56

Stuff like this? Mosby Jan 2024 #60

Whatever Netanyahu's surrogates stated does not amount to government policies, let alone genocidal policies. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #113

No, it is not policy... GiqueCee Jan 2024 #141

You don't know much about Israeli politics, do you? Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #142

Could be Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2024 #57

If you can't deny the facts... TheRealNorth Jan 2024 #64

I see you have nothing factual to contribute. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #114

I understand what you are saying and glad you said it. Behind the Aegis Jan 2024 #67

Excellent analysis. One also wonders why these same groups say very little about the massive deaths in Yemen, Syria, JohnSJ Jan 2024 #81

Not exactly denialism but a similar malignant effort to TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #70

So if I were to watch a documentary about SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #71

No, but if you call the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan genocidal, Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #115

What about Darfur SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #123

You are allowed to discuss anything you wish. I, for one, will not stop you. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #128

I just want to know what the rules are SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #129

The rules are well known Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #130

Cool SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #131

You got it. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #136

Thank god for video recording SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #138

If I understand, you are implying with certainty that the available video recordings and news interviews Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #140

I'm implying nothing SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #143

K&R betsuni Jan 2024 #87

Whoa, you have really gone off the rails with this! mentalsolstice Jan 2024 #89

So you saw many Holocaust survivors in Florida. Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #116

It's less denial than Holocaust mitigation to weaken Israel's existence Sympthsical Jan 2024 #124

Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2024 #126

Thank you Beastly Boy Jan 2024 #127

Bigots always salty as fuck when they get called out. nt LexVegas Jan 2024 #134