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Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
73. PATENTLY FALSE information
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:02 AM
Nov 2012

This is simply NOT FACTUAL: "SMARTech received the contract to count votes on election night should the servers go down"

Read the contract. Learn about how votes are counted.

People without a rudimentary understanding of technology and how it works, which part can do what, should not write about it, let alone make judgments like the election was stolen by a web server.

Another falsehood. Election results DO swing over the time they are being reported. When a large county that votes 70% for one candidate reports, the results shift. This happened in Florida 2000, remember. Bush was ahead, then Gore counties reported. Why isn't Thom Hartmann crying, "FOUL, GORE fixed the vote" given the reasoning above?

As someone who has taught computer classes at University and tutored computer systems to Ph.D.'s, I agree with this part of the article "In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous." What might that be? How about log files showing the attempted crime of fixing an election? Which Republican/Rovian computer where with what IP address actually was connected to the web and routing its way to an election computer and attempting to access it?

If this really happened, how did Anonymous overlook the opportunity to bust them?

I see that since yesterday Hartmann is falling back to a new position, hedging bets that his exciting story of yesterday will remain bullshit:

"That’s why it’s vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history."


This will be the dust under the dustbins of history. The stuff in the dustbins is lame crap that will nonetheless be remembered. This won't be, except maybe as an example of a fraud about a non-existent fraud that consisting of claiming it was true because the non-existent fraud did not happen.
I absolutely believe this! nt rainy Nov 2012 #1
I do madokie Nov 2012 #3
I DO NOT! And, there are false statements in the article. They make a case on a LIE. Coyotl Nov 2012 #44
I don't mean to be ugly but could you be a little naive concerning this issue madokie Nov 2012 #98
Don't know if Anonymous had anything to do with it but . . . brush Nov 2012 #20
After reading and seeing the Anon stuff I am partially convinced that they just might have had ..... 4bucksagallon Nov 2012 #27
Thom Hartmann video below Tx4obama Nov 2012 #2
The Conclusion: WillyT Nov 2012 #4
I agree that if indeed Anonymous did this service, they should produce the arthritisR_US Nov 2012 #8
Thanks, and ProSense Nov 2012 #12
Excellent--thank you for this. If there is proof, SHOW IT! And lets the chips fall where msanthrope Nov 2012 #102
I'll say this again. randome Nov 2012 #5
Did You Read Post #4 ??? - This Was What ProSense Was Wanting... Me Too... WillyT Nov 2012 #7
We won an election because of who we are in 2004, too radiclib Nov 2012 #9
I'm in IT. The technobabble DOES mean it's bullshit. randome Nov 2012 #11
Just cyber-crime RobertEarl Nov 2012 #14
The aliens were trying to conquer Earth and I blocked them Coyotl Nov 2012 #45
Wow! 99Forever Nov 2012 #79
OK then radiclib Nov 2012 #15
So, you are "in" IT and you declare "it's bullshit", therefore it must be so. Whew, I feel so much rhett o rick Nov 2012 #25
Believe Me... I've Worked In IT... They Ain't All That Bright... WillyT Nov 2012 #28
There's a lot of win in this post. reusrename Nov 2012 #32
But you'll believe an anonymous email on the Internet. Brilliant. randome Nov 2012 #34
Don't you mean a FAKED Anon e-mail? Coyotl Nov 2012 #47
But the email SAYS Anonymous so how can we doubt it? randome Nov 2012 #48
We can doubt it because it was sent to Velvet Revolution instead of anywhere else Coyotl Nov 2012 #59
I dont claim to "believe" any such thing. But I dont deny that it could happen either. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #84
Lots of DEMs are in IT.... it takes brains and patience and willingness to work. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #18
You don't care if there are facts because you believe "SOMEBODY stopped Ohio from being hacked" Coyotl Nov 2012 #49
Doesn't your attitude amount to assuming the circumstances are innocent until proven "guilty"? bigmonkey Nov 2012 #99
I want investigation and I want to know who is behind this Coyotl Nov 2012 #100
You are asserting that the situation is harmless unless proven dangerous. bigmonkey Nov 2012 #103
'Evidence', not 'proof'. randome Nov 2012 #104
Your criteria for "evidence" seem vague and changeable. bigmonkey Nov 2012 #105
It's easy with our instant access to media to want things to clarify, maybe it's just frustration Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #111
The COOL thing about DEMS is Diversity and the ability to multi-task. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #109
What motivates me is that WE WON. We have work to do going forward. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #108
I CARE about facts. However, in cases like these so much is impossible to know for sure. Tigress DEM Nov 2012 #107
K & R Change has come Nov 2012 #6
MUST READ, MUST SEE stuff! ... Recommended bigtime! Bozita Nov 2012 #10
feasible nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #13
I think it feasible. glinda Nov 2012 #22
Putting out the warning makes it seem all the more like a CON JOB. Coyotl Nov 2012 #51
agree it's feasible, and kind of delightful, or at least interesting Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #31
IMHO There Are Two People/Sides That Can Verify Whether This Is A Conspiracy Theory Or Not......... global1 Nov 2012 #71
K&R rosesaylavee Nov 2012 #16
Hubris is universal PABigDaddyDemocrat Nov 2012 #17
The truth will be released in 24 business hours! tritsofme Nov 2012 #19
This crap is the birtherism of the left. n/t RomneyLies Nov 2012 #21
Glad to see a Democrat with an open mind. nm rhett o rick Nov 2012 #26
Glad to see a Democrat with a double standard RomneyLies Nov 2012 #37
Whoa! randome Nov 2012 #39
Pleaz dont speak for me. If you have a valid argument then present it. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #81
Nope, you are typical of the vote hacking conspiracy theorists. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #86
And you think that calling me a "vote hacking conspiracy theorist" is somehow rhett o rick Nov 2012 #93
Ah. It isn't. aquart Nov 2012 #30
I keep telling them that this behavior is offensive, but they don't seem to care. reusrename Nov 2012 #33
Where was your "righteous concern" when Allen West spewed the same CT bullshit about his race? RomneyLies Nov 2012 #38
Another false equivalency. 99Forever Nov 2012 #80
And the final refuge of the conspiracy theorist is revealed RomneyLies Nov 2012 #85
Don't know. 99Forever Nov 2012 #87
The poster is protecting the voting machines. The question those so inclined like to dodge is why TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #94
Yessir. 99Forever Nov 2012 #97
Link please. reusrename Nov 2012 #91
Yes, it really is RomneyLies Nov 2012 #35
Just to be fair krawhitham Nov 2012 #23
"something unheard of in any other nation in the developed world" micraphone Nov 2012 #24
What system was Rove looking at the other night when he remarked that the data page wouldn't refresh patrice Nov 2012 #29
The Ohio SOS election results page RomneyLies Nov 2012 #50
Yep. They 11 p.m. witching hour didn't work out so well for dough boy. lonestarnot Nov 2012 #36
No, no, no!! Conspiracies DO NOT exist! This could NOT have happened! Why? Because.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #40
If they can send an anonymous email, they can send a printout of the code they found. randome Nov 2012 #41
Wow. You must have been offended by the phrase in my post that reads as follows:.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #43
All love aside, your breadcrumb fear is bullshit. randome Nov 2012 #46
Keep digging Caretha Nov 2012 #58
And still no one wants to address the 'bread crumb' fear. randome Nov 2012 #61
"Anonymous doesn't want to leave bread crumbs is...not-a-fact" Caretha Nov 2012 #67
What evidence? It's deductive reasoning. randome Nov 2012 #68
And you're just another anonymous poster on the Internet.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #72
You purport to know their reasons also, Caretha Nov 2012 #74
And you can't refute that you're a poster who uses insults..... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #62
'Sherlock' was a pretty mild insult. randome Nov 2012 #65
LOL. Why should Anonymous feel compelled or required to do anything at all?.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #70
There is no evidence that anything happened. randome Nov 2012 #88
yes, we must never, ever ask for evidence of cali Nov 2012 #42
Vote Hacking is the religion of the left like Birth Certificates are the religion of the right. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #53
Wow. Just wow. nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #63
+1 Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #96
Vote hacking is the BURDEN of the Left marions ghost Nov 2012 #95
Waaahhh! Nobody will give me my evidence!! Waaaahh!! Poor, poor baby! nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #56
WE DON"T NEED NO PROOF RomneyLies Nov 2012 #66
So some anonymous person on the internet makes a claim and we're supposed to believe it? RomneyLies Nov 2012 #52
The real reason Obama won is because I was cleaning out the attic and found my old childhood MADem Nov 2012 #54
I BELIEVE!! I BELIEVE!!!!!! randome Nov 2012 #57
If it's the real Anonymous, it appears their proof is in what they've been able to do in the past... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #60
Anybody can claim to be Anonymous RomneyLies Nov 2012 #64
I'm the real Anonymous, so I know the story is false. Coyotl Nov 2012 #76
Oh man, NOT this Bullshit again! Coyotl Nov 2012 #55
So, let me see if I understand this correctly.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #69
Double ad hominem, wow! Coyotl Nov 2012 #75
PATENTLY FALSE information Coyotl Nov 2012 #73
It's an extraordinary claim Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #77
And people still deny that Ohio was stolen in 2004 liberal N proud Nov 2012 #78
Anonymous did nothing in Ohio riqster Nov 2012 #82
As usual... Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #83
Yes. There is still too much voter suppression going on. And too many chances for errors and fraud. randome Nov 2012 #90
Kick and Rec for all the zombies Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #89
Frankly... AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #92
Show the Proof MIKNCAL Nov 2012 #101
welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #106
The would-be-Anon video promised the evidence will be turned over to authorities Coyotl Nov 2012 #113
***HOW DO YOU CRASH AN INCREMENTING COUNT?!?!!?***** uponit7771 Nov 2012 #110
There was no crash. That is all just disinformation. Coyotl Nov 2012 #114
I think that was even more bizarre was the way Romney was acting, refusing to concede. Michigan Alum Nov 2012 #112
That was not bizarro at all given the Gore experience of retracting Coyotl Nov 2012 #115
Do you mind if I quote that? DanM Nov 2013 #116
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