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47. Very well said. nt

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Irish catholic priests STILL don't get it... [View all] Archae Nov 2012 OP

Hmm, confession to a priest is much like the attorney - client Live and Learn Nov 2012 #1

Giving abusers a "sympathetic ear" only enables them further in their crimes. LAGC Nov 2012 #2

I haven't seen any studies that show this to be true. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #5

Try taking some Psychology classes at your local community college. LAGC Nov 2012 #11

Snark aside. confession is hardly about bragging. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #16

Oh I know plenty enough about it. LAGC Nov 2012 #23

Are you certain that your dislike of the religion isn't your motivation here? Live and Learn Nov 2012 #50

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not terribly sympathetic with the plight of religious concerns. LAGC Nov 2012 #52

The welfare of children is hardly secured with this law. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #54

Do you feel the same way about other religious "rights?" LAGC Nov 2012 #56

Personally, I think all child rapists are sociopaths or at least borderline. defacto7 Nov 2012 #6

And I believe there are sins that they can't give absolution from. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #9

absolution from what? snooper2 Nov 2012 #61

I'm not Catholic, brokechris Nov 2012 #21

Therapists are required to report admissions of child abuse when they come to light. LAGC Nov 2012 #57

Not a good thing - all that does is stop them from seeking therapy treestar Nov 2012 #62

A "sympathetic" ear - BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #38

Very well said. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #47

Not really. Attorney-client privilege exists in part to facilitate a competent defense. Hosnon Nov 2012 #4

Do you also think the spousal exemption should be rescinded then? Live and Learn Nov 2012 #7

Without thinking too much about it, yes. Hosnon Nov 2012 #13

There is a further goal. pnwmom Nov 2012 #12

I'd need some pretty solid data backing up the reality of that before I could get on board. nt. Hosnon Nov 2012 #14

But, you don't need any evidence to the contrary. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #17

I'm not following. Hosnon Nov 2012 #18

As are there mounds of evidence that people confess to crimes they don't commit. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #19

What does that have to do with this topic? Hosnon Nov 2012 #20

I don't think priests pull confessions out of anyone. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #24

I agree. And how is that relevant to this discussion? Hosnon Nov 2012 #25

It won't but it could well get a priest arrested if he didn't report it Live and Learn Nov 2012 #30

You seem to be confusing me with someone else. Hosnon Nov 2012 #34

Should they also be required to report confessions of other felonies? Irish law... TreasonousBastard Nov 2012 #3

You say that "Irish law followed English law ..." AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #40

Since I'm not an Irish lawyer, I can't say to the specifics, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2012 #63

US law still recognizes confidentiality in the confessional, even of crimes with children. pnwmom Nov 2012 #8

+1 nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #10

Are you offering that opinion as a member of the bar? Are you a member of the bar? Are there no AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #15

once again--not a Catholic here-- brokechris Nov 2012 #22

Someone could confess to the sexual feelings, and go so far as to imply there is a specific Hosnon Nov 2012 #26

of course you are speculating, brokechris Nov 2012 #29

Um. If an adult tells you they want to fuck a specific child, you should probably report it. Hosnon Nov 2012 #32

and I'm just saying that I seriously brokechris Nov 2012 #36

Wanting to do anything to anyone is not even against the law. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #44

Very unlikely but if it happened, the Priest would or should do everything Live and Learn Nov 2012 #37

The question is "confidentiality in the confessional" is treated as unconditional in the US, not AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #31

from what I understand (and I am not a legal professional) brokechris Nov 2012 #39

+1 treestar Nov 2012 #60

This isn't just an "Irish Catholic" thing. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #27

Between having a priest defrocked or a boy raped, I'll take the former every time. nt. Hosnon Nov 2012 #28

If this would actually save children from being raped, I might agree Live and Learn Nov 2012 #33

I think a bit more candor on the part of priests would have prevented quite a lot of pain. Hosnon Nov 2012 #35

No, it isn't limited to priest scandals. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #41

I understand that. And this specific article and the impetus for the legislation is the priest Hosnon Nov 2012 #43

I am not implying anything. I have been sticking to the facts. Live and Learn Nov 2012 #45

No, you said it was interesting that I have been referring to boys. Hosnon Nov 2012 #46

I don't know. I just found it interesting since girls are raped more often than boys. nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #49

Maybe the distinction is based on the fact that more boys than girls tend to be alter boys. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #42

The law is not specific to alter boys (or girls). nt Live and Learn Nov 2012 #48

Nor should it be. Obviously. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #51

The false analogy of this law being "between a priest defrocked or a boy raped" is Live and Learn Nov 2012 #53

That's not a false analogy. It's not an analogy at all. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #55

Let them be defrocked then Marrah_G Nov 2012 #58

No, they are right treestar Nov 2012 #59